What Posterous Could Learn from Gravity Forms About Service




Customers and employees are your two most important ingredients in a successful business. Without one, you can’t have the other.

Customer service is an especially hot topic for me, as I’ve worked in improving how service is measured and improved at a few companies, where previously it was maybe in third or fourth place when it came to that company’s priorities.

Your employees are your best customers, and your customers are your best employees. They’ll defend you; market for you; endorse you; and be your voice where you might not currently have a presence.

If you look after them. Something blogging platform Posterous could improve on.

A Week is a Long Time in Business

Almost two weeks ago, I decided to stop posting short-form blog posts over at Posterous, and move all my blogging back to my blog right here. While I had enjoyed experimenting with Posterous, this is my homebase. And I wasn’t keen on a third-party “owning” my content.

So, I wrote a post about why I was leaving Posterous and made the decision that I’d delete my account there within a few days, to allow anyone to come and subscribe here if they wished.

And that’s where the fun begins.

I tried deleting my account, and kept getting an error message. No worries, the message mentioned Posterous had been emailed about it, and it’d be resolved soon. Except it wasn’t.

For a week, I tried to delete my account – I even made it my secondary one since I was informed that primary accounts at Posterous need you to contact support to delete the account for you.

Still no joy. Frustrated, I reached out to Posterous via their Twitter account. No reply there, so over to contacting their helpdesk.

In all fairness, their representative Vince got back to me seven hours later. Yet it wasn’t to delete the site right away – that would only happen if I confirmed that this was what I wanted to do (click to enlarge).

So, I mention that yes, I do want to delete my account and I pointed Vince to my post on their platform as to the reasons why.

This was on Thursday, August 12, and as of writing, my Posterous account is still live.

Customers Hate Obstacles

So now I’m pretty frustrated with Posterous. I no longer want to use their service, but I’m still “using it” if you visit my account there. And the company isn’t making it easy for me to stop using their service.

It’s like me signing you up to my newsletter, and then making you jump through a bunch of hoops to unsubscribe, in the hope you might give up and stay with me for convenience’s sake.

And it’s a shame. I’ve written before how Posterous offers an easy way in for folks to experiment with blogging, and I’ve pointed clients their way in the past that wanted to see if blogging is for them. But not now – my experience with Posterous has been soured by something that should be pretty straightforward.

As customers, we can be a complaining bunch, but at times the complaining could be easily avoided just by taking away the obstacles companies put us through. Some get that spot on.

The Gravity Forms Experience

I started using Gravity Forms recently for my contact forms. I’d heard good things about them and I wanted to check them out, so I bought the single user license. I loved how they worked, so I wanted to upgrade to the multi-site license instead.

I used their contact form to ask how easy this was, and what the steps would be. Within 10 minutes, Carl Hancock had an emailed answer and easy-to-follow steps on how to upgrade. Within 30 minutes, I had a coupon code to use that would deduct my original purchase from the multi-site one.

But what really stood out for me is that this all happened late at night. I contacted Gravity Forms at 11.28pm, and by 11.58pm I had my coupon code and purchase instructions.

Thirty minutes.

That level of service turns me from a simple customer to a brand advocate. If anyone asks me about forms for blogging, I point them in the direction of Gravity Forms. Every time.

Simple Sells

It may be that Posterous has a larger userbase than Gravity Forms. It may be that their platform needs more technical nous than Gravity Forms. It may be that there’s a certain timescale before something can get done.

But to customers, that doesn’t always matter. All we want is a simple product, and one that we can stop using at any time if we choose to do so. Making us go through hoops just ensures we won’t return to your product in future, and will probably use your competitors instead.

You could say that Posterous is a free product, and so the support doesn’t need to be as good as that of a premium product. But let’s say at some stage they’re looking to make it a paid service – how they look after you now defines how you’ll perceive paying for their service.

Marketing might sell a product, but service is the gold that repeat sales come from.

Compare the Posterous and the Gravity Forms approach – which one would you be a loyal customer of?

Update – my account has been deleted after Rich Pearson of Posterous kindly stepped in and explained the delay.

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Hi Danny,

Nice blog, I some how got to your blog through Headway after you recommended it.

Just came across your post and I thought I give my 2 cents worth.

I had an issue with Posterous about a month ago and I contacted them and they were on to it within an hour and it was fixed. So, I thought there response was excellent and since I had just joined them, I was very happy with the service provided.

I guess we all have different experiences with different companies and its unfortunate that your Posterous experience didn't turn out the way you wanted. But I have to admit I love the ease of Posterous and how that service can deliver information to all sorts of services with one email is quite powerful to get your word out quickly.

I wouldn't give up on Posterous, In my humble opinion its still a great service and a great way to get out your content to as many services as possible.

Simple really sells, Danny!

There are five simple steps to success (online, offline, customer support, social media included):

1. Make it super easy for your audience to get in.
2. Create a product that rocks. Be the best, not necessarily the first.
3. Don't lock your audience in. The more you think of keeping them locked, they more they will keep looking out and around.
4. Follow through on commitments - product performance, support, response times and guarantees.
5. Keep it human. Cut the automation if it is going to break. Eliminate the fine print.

I am guessing Gravity Forms got it all right. I'm willing to give Posterous the benefit of doubt - but shame, so many others turn a blind eye to what should be the defacto operations manual.

Danny,

Apologies for our lack of follow-up on your request - I just deleted your account. As you may read on our blog, we've been fighting off repeated denial of service attacks which has caused many issues for users with custom domains. We've been prioritizing all these requests above account delete requests.

That said, we should add a self-serve feature for this. We have a pretty democratic feature request process, and fortunately the delete account request hasn't ranked at the top. Thanks for your support of Posterous and we hope to see you back soon!

Here's the thing...Posterous is free right? How much does a free service owe a free customer?

You'll see I covered that in the post, Nathan.

You're not "owed" anything; but a simple process stands you apart from the rest of the free providers.

Hi Danny,

Nice blog, I some how got to your blog through Headway after you recommended it.

Just came across your post and I thought I give my 2 cents worth.

I had an issue with Posterous about a month ago and I contacted them and they were on to it within an hour and it was fixed. So, I thought there response was excellent and since I had just joined them, I was very happy with the service provided.

I guess we all have different experiences with different companies and its unfortunate that your Posterous experience didn't turn out the way you wanted. But I have to admit I love the ease of Posterous and how that service can deliver information to all sorts of services with one email is quite powerful to get your word out quickly.

I wouldn't give up on Posterous, In my humble opinion its still a great service and a great way to get out your content to as many services as possible.

Great to hear, Aman, and I agree - everyone has different experiences. That's why there are so many brand ambassadors versus brand detractors for the same product :)

Funnily enough, I was chatting about Posterous on the Social Media Edge show yesterday, and I agree, Posterous is a great platform as an "in" to full blogging. I still recommend it to clients for that option.

But for me, it was more a time suck than anything else. Plus I wanted to concentrate on my homebase, which is this blog.

The post here is just from a frustration angle at the hoops you have to go through to stop using a service, as opposed to the service itself.

Cheers for stopping by, hope to see you again soon :)

Tot to be the voice of Mr. Ignorant, but why spend so much attention deleting your blog when it can serve as search engine fodder to help people?

Just turn off commenting and stop worrying. ;)

That should be not, not tot.

To concentrate any "search engine fodder" here as opposed to a platform I no longer use.

Hi Danny

Not often I comment but I felt I had to say something, agree there should be a way for you to action this request, but in all my dealings with Posterous they have always been ultra reactive most of the time with Garry or Sachin being the ones doing the interacting and every time damn quick!

I guess coming of the back of a week or so of moving their whole infrastructure because of attacks some things slipped I don't think your comparison of making them out to be the bad guys of customer service against another company holds any weight in this instance.

Hi Roger,

To a large degree, I agree, as you can see in my response to Rich.

Yet at the same time, once Vince became involved and I confirmed that I wished my account to be deleted, it would have taken all of 30 seconds or so (I guess) to action on his end. That's where it still fell down.

Coming from a huge customer satisfaction background, I've even called out folks before that take the easy route of public complaining. So I certainly do understand situation's from the other side. If Posterous had an easier system in place to delete any account, there'd be less frustration all round.

And it's also a point in case example of setting expectations.

Your response would have been different Danny, if your expectations had been set correctly - and put in right perspective against the DoS backdrop - at the outset!

And it's also a point in case example of setting expectations.

Your response would have been different Danny, if your expectations had been set correctly - and put in right perspective against the DoS backdrop - at the outset!

Simple really sells, Danny!

There are five simple steps to success (online, offline, customer support, social media included):

1. Make it super easy for your audience to get in.
2. Create a product that rocks. Be the best, not necessarily the first.
3. Don't lock your audience in. The more you think of keeping them locked, they more they will keep looking out and around.
4. Follow through on commitments - product performance, support, response times and guarantees.
5. Keep it human. Cut the automation if it is going to break. Eliminate the fine print.

I am guessing Gravity Forms got it all right. I'm willing to give Posterous the benefit of doubt - but shame, so many others turn a blind eye to what should be the defacto operations manual.

The follow through part is so important, Kapil. As I mention to Roger below, now that I know Posterous was having issues, their attention obviously needed to be elsewhere.

Vince reaching out and then not actioning is where it wasn't followed through, and where I felt the frustration.

And not having the option (currently) to delete your primary account seems to be something that could/should change. Not many companies try and lock you in full-stop; there always needs to be a simple get-out clause.

Danny,

Apologies for our lack of follow-up on your request - I just deleted your account. As you may read on our blog, we've been fighting off repeated denial of service attacks which has caused many issues for users with custom domains. We've been prioritizing all these requests above account delete requests.

That said, we should add a self-serve feature for this. We have a pretty democratic feature request process, and fortunately the delete account request hasn't ranked at the top. Thanks for your support of Posterous and we hope to see you back soon!

Hey there Rich,

Thanks for stepping in, much appreciated. I hadn't actually seen your blog - hopefully you have that resolved, I can imagine how much a pain a DoS attack is.

A self-serve feature would be great - similar to Vince's email, but maybe just a pop-up box on admin pages that ask if you're sure?

Cheers again,

Danny.

Danny, I was just going to comment that Posterous has been hammered by DOS. As a small outfit, they're both super busy... and exhausted!

Also, try Posterous not as a main site, but a place to post smaller, experimental material running as a concurrent and parallel thread. For example, I am not a marketer (per se), so blogging about marketing has little place on my main web site. But I often jot down a few notes about marketing on my Posterous site. Later I've been known to collect a few of these notes into an in-depth blog post.

Danny, I was just going to comment that Posterous has been hammered by DOS. As a small outfit, they're both super busy... and exhausted!

Also, try Posterous not as a main site, but a place to post smaller, experimental material running as a concurrent and parallel thread. For example, I am not a marketer (per se), so blogging about marketing has little place on my main web site. But I often jot down a few notes about marketing on my Posterous site. Later I've been known to collect a few of these notes into an in-depth blog post.

Hi David,

Yep, I wasn't aware of that until Rich updated. I don't read the blog so I wasn't aware of the issues - can't have been fun.

Funnily enough, that's exactly why I used Posterous - as a short-form blogging outlet, to foster ideas for this blog here.

But I found they could stand on their own as well, and the ones I tried over here went down well, so it didn't make sense to continue to have the Posterous account.

Cheers for the thoughts. :)

That's how I dealed with the "You cannot delete your primary account on Posterous" issue:

http://t210.posterous.com

+1 for Gravity Forms and Carl Hancock. Great product. Great service.

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