The Great Friends and Relationships Myth

There’s a lot of talk about relationships in business, and how to make business more human.
There’s also a lot of talk about how businesses need to be more like friends, and treat people the way you would your friends if you want to succeed.
Add in the view that businesses and their clients should be friends as well, and you could be forgiven for thinking you need to be either Ross or Rachel and sipping coffee in Central Perk to get anything done.
But here’s the thing – that viewpoint is a myth. Not only that, it can also be a dangerous myth.
Here’s why.
Friends Don’t Always Come With Benefits
Let’s look at the friends angle first. Can you have friends in business, or be friends with clients? For sure – you can be friends with anyone. But here’s why you shouldn’t be.
With friends, we let our guard down. If they’re going through a tough time, we support them. If they need to borrow money, we help, and let them pay it back when they can. If they need to pick our brains, we’re there for them.
But because we let our guard down, we very often don’t put it back up.
Transfer that to business, where either a client, or a supplier, or a customer, uses your service but doesn’t pay when they’re meant to. Or a supplier skims money off you left, right and centre without you knowing it. Or they talk with your competitors behind your back while you’re working on getting them airtime.
Business don’t have friendships. Businesses do what’s right for them at that given time, and rightly so – it’s why it’s called business and not high school.
If you’re friends with a business, you can put your own success and longevity at risk because you don’t want to ask too much of your friends. Unpaid invoices go unchallenged, and soon your business is struggling to pay an invoice. Once you start down that path…
Relationships Never End Well or They Wouldn’t End
The relationship angle is an interesting one, because obviously we can (and should) foster relationships in our business lives at every turn.
Relationships are the key to a long client/vendor arrangement over a one-hit-never-work-together-again one. Relationships are also the key to promoting relevant skilled resources to those that need them – say, you recommend one client to another, or an outsourcer to a client, etc.
But the key to remember is that, just like many personal examples, relationships come to an end. Girlfriends split with boyfriends, friends split with each other, families grow apart. The closer the relationship, often the harder the split is. It can turn nasty as sides are picked and grievances aired, and that’s no fun at all.
We’re currently working with a client whose previous agency always talked of their “special relationship”. Yet once the agency’s work and results were questioned, the owner went postal and demanded more money (even though they’d already skimmed the client of more than $12,000 for a project in limbo). So much for the “special relationship”.
So is it impossible to combine friendship and business relationships? No – if approached right.
Buddy Boundaries
In an ideal world, we’d all be friends together – people, businesses, ex-lovers, enemies, etc. The world would be an easier place for all if we lived on clouds and blew bubbles at each other.
But we know that life isn’t ideal.
Instead, we just need to realize that sometimes, it’s okay to not be friends. That doesn’t mean we can’t be friendly, though – similar word but a world of difference.
- Respect boundaries. Appreciate that while tone and interaction can be friendly, at the end of the day you’re still in business to both make your clients and customers successful, and be successful too.
- Maintain professionalism. I’ve seen some classic emails because of a “friendship” – because of the perception, professionalism goes out the window from the sender. Keep in mind that businesses are professional ventures, and don’t send a CEO an email better suited to pub talk.
- Understand subtleties. While we look out for our friends unreservedly, often we can’t offer the same support to our clients, vendors, customers. Know where the cut-off point is and you know where the help can begin and end.
We all want to be friends. We all want to have the most amazing relationships. And, often, that can be the case (or a close resemblance to it).
But we also want to be successful – for our clients, our customers, ourselves and our families who depend on us to keep a roof over their head. If we confuse friendship and relationships with friendliness and professional relationships in that order, we run the danger of losing sight of crucial decisions that need to be made.
And none of us can afford to do that.
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Danny, Wish I had stopped by sooner. Via social networks, I've made a few business friends, so if I were stuck in Chicago I'd bet Gini Dietrich would give me a ride to the airport. ;-) But that's an exception. My FB is personal; LinkedIn and Twitter are almost all business. Boundaries.
Reading the comments I see that most people say they are "friendly" but not friends with colleagues, clients. I've never understood the "we had drinks, we told jokes at lunch one day and now we're BFFs" mentality that happens when you act like a human and not just a colleague, a vendor. I'm genuine when I wish clients a good weekend, or hope they weathered the storm okay.. that's personal and professional courtesy. Doesn't mean I'm not also about business.
As to businesses acting more human, that's just it: when it's an act. A marketing ploy to try and sell me something disguising it as a relationship. No thanks. My local wine shop owner knows my name, offers a friendly greeting when I enter her store, sends me personal emails when she's got new stuff I might like; it's not friendship, it's good service. FWIW.
I could list the amount of times I have hired friends and paid in spades. PAID. BAD. PAID. Not a good thing. I will not hire personal friends ever again based on those experiences.
Danny,
There are so many threads up above that I want to jump into, but most points have been well made. As a partner in a small manufacturing firm, I recognize that the distinction between friends and business partners is very tough to form. The more personal time you spend with someone, which is something to learn about sales, the harder it is to walk away -- it's tough to see something as a sunk cost, and we tend to chase bad money with good money.
For 2 years, we battled with abandoning a supplier of ours. They had been with us since we started our business back in the mid 90s. We were close. Weekly lunches, monthly rounds of golf, sporting events, Christmas/holiday drop bys, etc. They were friends, but as time went on, it became clear management was faltering. They weren't as efficient, they had many unhappy employees, and we could see the writing on the wall -- they were not going to last.
As a business owner, I know the agony of enduring hardship, thus we wanted to stick it out, to help our supplier regain their old form, to get back in the black. But it wasn't meant to be. Orders began showing up late or incorrectly labeled. Response time and technical support became unreliable, and ultimately, as painful as it was, in order to ensure our company's viability, we had to sever our relationship.
The lesson to be learned-- be friendly just don't be best friends.
Thanks,
Jamey
great post as always Danny! Good responses too, from everyone!
The main thing, is setting boundaries, as you mentioned. The problem I find with the very subject of boundaries is that a great majority of people do not know what boundaries are or how/when to set them! When you figure that out and can act accordingly I think you can have great relationships with others (personal & professional) and those that fall away because you have set & enforced boundaries are better off left behind.
As for friends that you do business with, of course that can be tricky at times. But hopefully we have friendships built on mutual respect and support. A friend can come to me, explain their need and I can offer my help or a resource for them. A true friend will not ask me to give more then is reasonable (my professional time & services). If they do, I question the friendship, talk it out and then take action as to what is best next. My friends should support me in my endeavors, therefore they know my hours given in true service (no or very low cost) are valuable and limited.
A client who becomes a friend because of connecting, sharing or perhaps the occasional glass of wine together requires open communication and boundaries in order to work out well on a personal & professional level. It can work but it takes both parties.
Most importantly I think we all have to be skilled at getting a good sense of others and be willing to communicate so we do not end up in a situation where a friend expects more then they should or a client expects to be treated as a friend!
I am a people person, love connecting, sharing etc and taking it to more then just the surface relationship. Yet, I realize that some people, perhaps more so in social media, are all about the numbers. True friendship is not nearly as relevant as the numbers (followers, shares, likes) or who can bring them the best connections, and that I find quite sad. At the minimum I hope for and seek out authenticity in others!
You are right in saying that it is a myth that a business should be like a friend. I probably want to be friends with my local market stall or coffee place on the corner but I don't want to be friends with my mobile phone provider. I personally probably want the following from a big business or brand...
1.Great products or services
2.Great customer service
3.Free stuff, competitions etc
Beyond that I don't really want much more of a relationship. There are a couple of brands (Apple, Manchester United, Music promoters etc) that I do want to hear from as soon as they have some news and that is about all I want coming in to my social feeds as I am already busy enough there trying to keep up with my actual friends!!
Ah, Niall - you were doing so well until you mentioned Man U, mate... ;-)
I had a discussion with someone about the very points you make (product, service, connection) and how that, combined with the best price, is what drives sales. Not relationships (at least, not the warm, fuzzy ones).
He believed relationships are more important as they bring the interest that brings the sale. And he's correct - to a point.
But I think (for the most part), the majority of people aren't too bothered about how friendly you are - they just want to buy at the best price, and have a solid service to back it up, for their needs at that time.
Everything else is a bonus.
My business partner Troy wrote an interesting post on this topic recently - worth checking out if you get a chance:
http://www.troyclaus.com/time-focus-on-matters/
Cheers for your thoughts, sir (even the Man U ones, hehe). :)
Hi Danny! What a great post. Thank you.
As we're in service businesses - it seems natural to be friendly – and to build relationships which evolve into friendships.
However, I learnt quite early in my career of the line distinguishing true friendships and business friendships. As a client - I learnt that business friendships were often dependent on the size of my marketing budget. It was apparent at one time when I moved from a relatively high profile role (with a good marketing budget) to a small not for profit, and to see which ‘business friendships’ followed me.
I love Ingrid’s quote “live like brothers, do business like strangers’
Business is business – it’s easier to retain the professionalism at all times - and I’ve found that helps in the proposal/negotiation process too. Loved your comments about this Danny.
As you say Danny, you let your guard down with true friends and it rarely gets pulled up again – which can make business difficult.
Thanks again Danny for generating such a great discussion. Have a great weekend everyone.
Man you've really clarified something for me here that I've not quite understood before.
It makes perfect sense. If you're Mr. Nice Guy to everyone and let your bottom line drop from under you, you're Mr. Stupid. Of course we're all here to profit our business. Relationships that don't help us in that endeavor need to be trashed for good.
That doesn't mean we have to go around slinging up people either. I understand that. :)
Thanks Danny!
This is not always an easy balance to keep but your Buddy Boundaries are excellent. I have to say that I'm lucky to have some very good friends who are former clients and team members.
I am finding it interesting to now be asked to do work for some of those who became friends in between - the between being a decade or so. I was a bit concerned about saying yes when I got the call, but it has worked out well. Still, I find myself being a bit more cautious around them in private settings. And, I'm not as rigorous with some of the pricing - tend to over-service their business, but that's coming from me not them. They can get a bit slow paying but I've also gotten a bit slow about reminding them, that's bad on both sides.
Jenifer made a good point about some friendships being worth more than business. I'm going to be more careful to remember that both with this client and future calls that might come from other friends.
Thanks for getting the brain going Danny!
Rick
Ah, such good timing with this one! I've been designing and maintaining a web site for a friend for a few years now, and what started out to be fun for me, and something I enjoyed doing because I really liked her products, and her, was in the past year or so becoming more and more of a chore, and I wasn't charging enough money. It was my own fault, because I hadn't asked for any more money, and although she pays me a little bonus each time she cuts me a check, it just wasn't enough to cover my aggravation.
Just last week, I sent her an email notifying her of an hourly rate hike (to correspond with my "get your business act in gear for the new year" resolution), letting her know that I wanted to do my best work for her, and that in order to do that, I needed to be compensated accordingly. I also let her know that it would probably force us both to be more efficient in how we went about updates, because it was getting to the point where I was getting things thrown at me piece-meal, and it was becoming a big headache.
I was very nervous when I sent out the email, because I was more than doubling what she had been paying me per hour, but I received a wonderful note back that said that of course she understood, and it was no problem, and it was expected...yadda yadda. *Phew!* Lesson learned.
Don't be AFRAID to ask for what you are worth from your friends, because if they really ARE your friends, they will understand that your time is just as valuable as theirs, and they'll be willing to pay for it. Thanks for your timely post, as it will certainly make me think hard before doing business with friends in the future--the key is to tread lightly, but be firm!
This article couldn't have simply have come at a better time. I have heard myself repeat to the same person for the past two years that they should not let their guard down at work. Long story short, said person became quick friends with their supervisor and said supervisor treated the employee like a friend too. I have warned time and time again that the person/employee should be careful as the supervisor may be friendly now but at some point, if something goes wrong, she is going to throw the employee under the bus. Low and behold this happened recently and the supervisor lied to save her butt and get the employee fired even though the wrong doing was not of the employees.
Besides that situation, I personally have been asked to lower my fees when a client feels like they can consider me their "friend"; been asked to go above and beyond the normal scope of the project and the list can go on forever. It doesn't mean that we can't have fun with clients or be friendly but being too friendly tends to leave one or both people in a mess at some point.
It's interesting that this conversation is coming up more and more lately. I have some great clients who I would consider, well, great clients. Some are friends but the relationship is predicated on me helping their business so therefore it is business. This doesn't mean we can't be friendly but if we all want our expertise to be taken seriously and for us to respect each other and that little thing called paying the bills, then we need to keep those boundaries.
It's interesting to see how some dive deep into the social web and grasp the relationship thing then expect you as a complete stranger to welcome them with open arms and free advice.
If you want to discuss how I may help you with your digital presence, marketing execution, stakeholder training or overall media plan, an hour of my time is an hour plus 25 years of experience.
If you want to go for beers and watch the game, we can split the bill and cheer together.
Friends, like respect, are earned.
I see your point. And you make a compelling argument. Do you think that things are that black and white tho?
Both friends and clients go away after a while. Should we hang onto them at all cost? I would say no. Let them be.
I think its great to be in business with your friends. Since ew're bringing up examples, how about Guns 'n Roses. Those dudes had one hell of a business AND they were friends. Things fell apart, but than again, show me something that last forever..
We could talk about the choices we make regarding our friends/clients. Maybe we need to get better at picking our own private Axl Rose :-)
Danny, Wish I had stopped by sooner. Via social networks, I've made a few business friends, so if I were stuck in Chicago I'd bet Gini Dietrich would give me a ride to the airport. ;-) But that's an exception. My FB is personal; LinkedIn and Twitter are almost all business. Boundaries.
Reading the comments I see that most people say they are "friendly" but not friends with colleagues, clients. I've never understood the "we had drinks, we told jokes at lunch one day and now we're BFFs" mentality that happens when you act like a human and not just a colleague, a vendor. I'm genuine when I wish clients a good weekend, or hope they weathered the storm okay.. that's personal and professional courtesy. Doesn't mean I'm not also about business.
As to businesses acting more human, that's just it: when it's an act. A marketing ploy to try and sell me something disguising it as a relationship. No thanks. My local wine shop owner knows my name, offers a friendly greeting when I enter her store, sends me personal emails when she's got new stuff I might like; it's not friendship, it's good service. FWIW.
Perfect example, Davina. And I love your "It's not friendship, it's good service" quote. Now if only more businesses could get that as opposed to trying to be our "friends". ;-)
I could list the amount of times I have hired friends and paid in spades. PAID. BAD. PAID. Not a good thing. I will not hire personal friends ever again based on those experiences.
Yeah, hiring, partnering with friends is not something I'll do again. My dad preached that God so loved the world he didn't sent a committee. I ignored that the first time I went out on my own and formed a joint venture. Cost me five figures to deal with his debts and another five figures to buy him out. It was an expensive lesson but I've learned it. Friendship can blind you. Not a good thing.
Danny,
There are so many threads up above that I want to jump into, but most points have been well made. As a partner in a small manufacturing firm, I recognize that the distinction between friends and business partners is very tough to form. The more personal time you spend with someone, which is something to learn about sales, the harder it is to walk away -- it's tough to see something as a sunk cost, and we tend to chase bad money with good money.
For 2 years, we battled with abandoning a supplier of ours. They had been with us since we started our business back in the mid 90s. We were close. Weekly lunches, monthly rounds of golf, sporting events, Christmas/holiday drop bys, etc. They were friends, but as time went on, it became clear management was faltering. They weren't as efficient, they had many unhappy employees, and we could see the writing on the wall -- they were not going to last.
As a business owner, I know the agony of enduring hardship, thus we wanted to stick it out, to help our supplier regain their old form, to get back in the black. But it wasn't meant to be. Orders began showing up late or incorrectly labeled. Response time and technical support became unreliable, and ultimately, as painful as it was, in order to ensure our company's viability, we had to sever our relationship.
The lesson to be learned-- be friendly just don't be best friends.
Thanks,
Jamey
Hi Jamey,
I think that's the toughest part of any business friendship, mate. Like the example of yours, sometimes we can let things go because of our heart, when our heads are telling us we should.
Not an easy thing to do - thanks for sharing your experience, mate.
Hi Danny
Great line...
"The world would be an easier place for all if we lived on clouds and blew bubbles at each other."
Are you telling me that you don't? LOL
Agree with you, keep the two separate and know where the boundaries are.
It's tempting to think of all your clients as friends but if everyone was a friend... we wouldn't need contracts.
Haha, I'm generally on a cloud on a Saturday evening if there's good wine about, Keith. ;-)
Your closing sentence sums the whole thing up perfectly, mate - cheers!
great post as always Danny! Good responses too, from everyone!
The main thing, is setting boundaries, as you mentioned. The problem I find with the very subject of boundaries is that a great majority of people do not know what boundaries are or how/when to set them! When you figure that out and can act accordingly I think you can have great relationships with others (personal & professional) and those that fall away because you have set & enforced boundaries are better off left behind.
As for friends that you do business with, of course that can be tricky at times. But hopefully we have friendships built on mutual respect and support. A friend can come to me, explain their need and I can offer my help or a resource for them. A true friend will not ask me to give more then is reasonable (my professional time & services). If they do, I question the friendship, talk it out and then take action as to what is best next. My friends should support me in my endeavors, therefore they know my hours given in true service (no or very low cost) are valuable and limited.
A client who becomes a friend because of connecting, sharing or perhaps the occasional glass of wine together requires open communication and boundaries in order to work out well on a personal & professional level. It can work but it takes both parties.
Most importantly I think we all have to be skilled at getting a good sense of others and be willing to communicate so we do not end up in a situation where a friend expects more then they should or a client expects to be treated as a friend!
I am a people person, love connecting, sharing etc and taking it to more then just the surface relationship. Yet, I realize that some people, perhaps more so in social media, are all about the numbers. True friendship is not nearly as relevant as the numbers (followers, shares, likes) or who can bring them the best connections, and that I find quite sad. At the minimum I hope for and seek out authenticity in others!
Hey there Angela,
Just love this line from your comment:
"...they know my hours given in true service (no or very low cost) are valuable and limited."
That's the key differentiator right there. Of course we love helping our friends - that's what friendship is all about.
But there can sometimes be a limit on what we can offer, and having the ability to both recognize that and not take advantage of that? That's friendship.
Cheers!
You are right in saying that it is a myth that a business should be like a friend. I probably want to be friends with my local market stall or coffee place on the corner but I don't want to be friends with my mobile phone provider. I personally probably want the following from a big business or brand...
1.Great products or services
2.Great customer service
3.Free stuff, competitions etc
Beyond that I don't really want much more of a relationship. There are a couple of brands (Apple, Manchester United, Music promoters etc) that I do want to hear from as soon as they have some news and that is about all I want coming in to my social feeds as I am already busy enough there trying to keep up with my actual friends!!
Ah, Niall - you were doing so well until you mentioned Man U, mate... ;-)
I had a discussion with someone about the very points you make (product, service, connection) and how that, combined with the best price, is what drives sales. Not relationships (at least, not the warm, fuzzy ones).
He believed relationships are more important as they bring the interest that brings the sale. And he's correct - to a point.
But I think (for the most part), the majority of people aren't too bothered about how friendly you are - they just want to buy at the best price, and have a solid service to back it up, for their needs at that time.
Everything else is a bonus.
My business partner Troy wrote an interesting post on this topic recently - worth checking out if you get a chance:
http://www.troyclaus.com/time-focus-on-matters/
Cheers for your thoughts, sir (even the Man U ones, hehe). :)
Hi!
I am just a minor self published bookseller and it is interesting how many "friends" expect a free book.
...Life is good
Tom
Hi Danny! What a great post. Thank you.
As we're in service businesses - it seems natural to be friendly – and to build relationships which evolve into friendships.
However, I learnt quite early in my career of the line distinguishing true friendships and business friendships. As a client - I learnt that business friendships were often dependent on the size of my marketing budget. It was apparent at one time when I moved from a relatively high profile role (with a good marketing budget) to a small not for profit, and to see which ‘business friendships’ followed me.
I love Ingrid’s quote “live like brothers, do business like strangers’
Business is business – it’s easier to retain the professionalism at all times - and I’ve found that helps in the proposal/negotiation process too. Loved your comments about this Danny.
As you say Danny, you let your guard down with true friends and it rarely gets pulled up again – which can make business difficult.
Thanks again Danny for generating such a great discussion. Have a great weekend everyone.
Hey there Anne,
Haha, that's a great point about seeing how many business friendships follow you dependent on the budget that can be allocated.
And a perfect example of why "true friendship" in business is very rare, and to make it work, rarer still.
Thanks as always, miss, always great to have Aussie goodness over here. :)
I am in the relationship business Danny, but your pragmatic advice I think is generally quite useful.
So should I interpret in general you prefer a more business-like relationship than clients where you might grab a beer with them at the local pub after work?
Yes and no (I know, what a crap answer!) ;-)
We've had a couple of beers outside office hours with clients before, and had a great time. We've had open evenings where we can let our hair down (though still professionally). And we're helping launch a new client site at the beginning of next month, so we'll be having some celebratory drinks with them in their office.
But would we go out and get drunk with them, do silly things and have embarrassing pictures and tales to share with them next day? No - and I think that's the key differentiator in the relationship.
Yes and no (I know, what a crap answer!) ;-)
We've had a couple of beers outside office hours with clients before, and had a great time. We've had open evenings where we can let our hair down (though still professionally). And we're helping launch a new client site at the beginning of next month, so we'll be having some celebratory drinks with them in their office.
But would we go out and get drunk with them, do silly things and have embarrassing pictures and tales to share with them next day? No - and I think that's the key differentiator in the relationship.
Man you've really clarified something for me here that I've not quite understood before.
It makes perfect sense. If you're Mr. Nice Guy to everyone and let your bottom line drop from under you, you're Mr. Stupid. Of course we're all here to profit our business. Relationships that don't help us in that endeavor need to be trashed for good.
That doesn't mean we have to go around slinging up people either. I understand that. :)
Thanks Danny!
And that's the key point right there, Martyn - we don't need to be slinging up. But, if that's what it takes... ;-)
This is not always an easy balance to keep but your Buddy Boundaries are excellent. I have to say that I'm lucky to have some very good friends who are former clients and team members.
I am finding it interesting to now be asked to do work for some of those who became friends in between - the between being a decade or so. I was a bit concerned about saying yes when I got the call, but it has worked out well. Still, I find myself being a bit more cautious around them in private settings. And, I'm not as rigorous with some of the pricing - tend to over-service their business, but that's coming from me not them. They can get a bit slow paying but I've also gotten a bit slow about reminding them, that's bad on both sides.
Jenifer made a good point about some friendships being worth more than business. I'm going to be more careful to remember that both with this client and future calls that might come from other friends.
Thanks for getting the brain going Danny!
Rick
Hey there Rick,
That's always the danger, isn't it? I know I've been guilty of that in the past (the over-servicing/underpricing) and, for certain folks, I will make a huge exception.
But sometimes when you do that, the taking advantage comes into play. At that point, I switch back into business mode and give only what I'm being paid for.
Callous? Maybe. But then so is lack of respect for what you're doing, and I don't take well to lack of respect unless I deserve it... ;-)
Yeah, if it leads to them expecting or taking advantage then you've got to draw. That's not callous, that's business.
I've been thinking about this quite a bit today. I suppose the other danger is that you could think, well we're friends, I can miss a deadline or maybe not go 100% on something. I think that would be even worse, both for the friendship and my/our reputation. Another of those cases we need to look both ways when we step into traffic.
Oh, for sure mate, and that's a great point. Case in question - the agency referenced in the post, who still hasn't delivered a functional website, nor the other parts of the project that were promised. Six months down the line.
Like you say, we can definitely get too comfortable if we feel that our friends won't question our own tardiness.
Cheers for the thoughts, sir!
Yeah, if it leads to them expecting or taking advantage then you've got to draw. That's not callous, that's business.
I've been thinking about this quite a bit today. I suppose the other danger is that you could think, well we're friends, I can miss a deadline or maybe not go 100% on something. I think that would be even worse, both for the friendship and my/our reputation. Another of those cases we need to look both ways when we step into traffic.
Ah, such good timing with this one! I've been designing and maintaining a web site for a friend for a few years now, and what started out to be fun for me, and something I enjoyed doing because I really liked her products, and her, was in the past year or so becoming more and more of a chore, and I wasn't charging enough money. It was my own fault, because I hadn't asked for any more money, and although she pays me a little bonus each time she cuts me a check, it just wasn't enough to cover my aggravation.
Just last week, I sent her an email notifying her of an hourly rate hike (to correspond with my "get your business act in gear for the new year" resolution), letting her know that I wanted to do my best work for her, and that in order to do that, I needed to be compensated accordingly. I also let her know that it would probably force us both to be more efficient in how we went about updates, because it was getting to the point where I was getting things thrown at me piece-meal, and it was becoming a big headache.
I was very nervous when I sent out the email, because I was more than doubling what she had been paying me per hour, but I received a wonderful note back that said that of course she understood, and it was no problem, and it was expected...yadda yadda. *Phew!* Lesson learned.
Don't be AFRAID to ask for what you are worth from your friends, because if they really ARE your friends, they will understand that your time is just as valuable as theirs, and they'll be willing to pay for it. Thanks for your timely post, as it will certainly make me think hard before doing business with friends in the future--the key is to tread lightly, but be firm!
I love this, Sharon! It just goes to prove that people - when they have their business head on - can still have great relationships, and actually value what's being done for them, as opposed to just taken a friendship for granted.
Thanks for that! :)
Agreed, businesses and corporations have a single goal to make money. All other aspects of life are run over in making this come true. Its sad.
It is best article for me. After this article, l know,how l behave with my friends in business life.
Thank you for sharing.
Nail, meet Head. Square on.
One of my best friends now comes from a client relationship gone south. And we figured that out midway through the 3 month engagement - which is why the engagement only ended up being two months.
It also taught me something about client services - from the OTHER side of client services (having been the client for the bulk of my career).
Selling your expertise based entirely upon "we're likable chaps" or "we're fashionistas who you'll love" is not the way to go. It has meant lost business for my firm - but my mission is to tell the other side what they need to hear.
You can still be "friendly" - but the direct route, which flies in the face of conventional Midwest wisdom, is the absolute best both short- and long-term.
I've never put much stock in the "nice guys finish last" phrase, Dave, as I've seen a ton of good guys make a big success of what they set out to achieve.
But like you say, mate, hoping to win - and retain - business based on you being nice probably isn't the greatest strategy. Sometimes you do have to toughen up, and that can be hard too.
Business - gotta love it, huh? ;-)
Hi Danny
Friendship and business are mutually exclusive bed-fellows to me.
If you decide to go into business with a friend and things go pear shaped, it will impact that friendship no matter how deep-rooted. It will cause conflict, disagreement and frustration and this will (unless both parties are very capable at segregating the two!) inevitably come through in the friendship.
Sure, you can put agreements in place to say that if "x" happens, we'll do "y" and all will be sorted out. Unfortunately the human psyche is not so easily handled.
Business clients turning into friends? Nope. The need to maintain a professional distance, while still being "friendly" in approach is a must. Otherwise if there is a tough call to be made, it is too easy for the customer to ride rough-shod over you because you'll feel you "have to do that thing" for them.
Thanks for sharing
Barney
That's the biggest pitfall for sure, Barney. Troy and I are extremely fortunate that we have such similar mindsets yet different skill sets, so it works for Bonsai.
Yet we're not so naive to think that just because we're great friends means we'll always have a great business together. It's making sure we're aware of that line that if anything did falter, our friendship will survive.
Not easy, like you say, and a good reason why many don't try.
Cheers, sir!
Very concise answer here Barney. In regards to friends, in almost every case this has been the outcome I've experienced... and in business, this is just solid advice.
For someone like me who likes everyone and likes to be friends with everyone, take heed to wise advice. It's been difficult for me to separate the two and I've experienced precisely what you've shared in your reply -- and it really sucks when a relationship/ friendship you envisioned and desired to be for a lifetime comes to an end.
Not saying it hasn't worked for some or can't - I just haven't seen or heard of many long term happy endings.
Thanks for sharing!
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