Why I’m Hesitant About Triberr

This is a guest post by Neicole Crepeau.
Triberr is taking the blogging world by storm. And my hat is off to its creators, Dino Dogan and Daniel Cristo for trying to help smaller bloggers like myself get exposure.
I can definitely understand the appeal of Triberr, Twitterfeed, and other RSS auto-post systems. I find myself hesitant to use them, though. As a content curator, they don’t meet my needs–and I’m worried they’re just adding to the noise.
Triberr, Twitterfeed, and Similar Tools
Triberr offers a quid-pro-quo arrangement with other bloggers. You become part of up to four tribes. They tweet your blog posts (the timing handled by Triberr), and you tweet their’s. By default, this just happens automatically without you having to think about it.
(Note that Triberr recently did add a feature that allows you to change your settings so that you can choose which content to tweet. It was built for and optimized for auto-tweeting, though, and that’s the scenario I’m discussing.)
Triberr makes the quid-pro-quo arrangement explicit–and fun. These kinds of arrangements have been taking place informally for a long time. Most of us active in content creation also share other people’s content on a regular basis, and we naturally end up with a specific set of bloggers or sources whose content we tend to read and share.
Reaching a Larger Audience
Of course, we all want our content to reach a larger audience. It’s one of the key reasons we participate in social media. It’s one of the reasons that we share other bloggers’ content.
Triberr touts the increased reach that bloggers get by joining tribes. Its tagline is “The Reach Multiplier!”. So, ultimately, like an advertising network, it’s about getting views and clicks. I have no doubt that using Triberr, or any quid-pro-quo system, will get my links in front of more people. The problem is two-fold:
- Are my links getting in front of the right audience?
- Am I short-changing my audience to do it?
Content Curation versus Content Inundation
As I said, I consider myself a content curator. I am selective about the posts that I share. I take pride in reading each one before sharing it. I share content that I think my particular audience, or the audience I’m trying to build, will find of value. I know they are flooded with content. I like to think they trust that what I share is going to be worth clicking on.
There are bloggers whose content I routinely share. Even with those bloggers, though, I don’t share every post. Even for the blogs I helped start (SMB Collective) or am a regular contributor to (Mark Schaefer’s Grow blog), I don’t share every post. I share those that are relevant to my audience and of high quality.
If a person auto-tweets every post from my blog, then they aren’t being selective. They aren’t choosing the posts relevant to their audience. I bet they don’t have a quality bar, either. Yes, I want my content to be shared. But what I really want is for my content to be shared by someone whose judgement his or her followers trust, and whose audience is the target audience I’m trying to reach.
We are inundated with information, links, content. The problem is just getting worse. When people auto-share every post from everyone in their network, they just add to the problem, inundating people with more links.
The Value of the Curator
That’s why I personally think that true curators are going to become more valuable. As we try to filter out all the junk and focus our time on consuming really good content, we will rely on selected tools and selected individuals.
Some websites and applications are trying to help surface the best content to those who are seeking it. There will be a role for these tools: Flipboard, Zite, Alltop, and the like. They will be locations for people to go to when they are in the consumption mode, actively looking for information on a topic or ready to sit down and do their daily reading.
More and more, though, people get their content primarily in small snippets, through friends and their online networks. They receive it in small chunks: a post on Facebook, or LinkedIn, or Twitter. They click because a particular headline grabs them.
There is evidence to suggest that we are becoming more selective about the pages we Like. Similarly, as content marketing and the content volume grows, we’ll become more selective about the people we follow. As a blogger or curator trying to build an audience, it will become even more important to pick your niche and create and share quality content about your selected topic. People will choose to follow and to really pay attention to the content shared by curators who have proved themselves trustworthy.
For that reason, and just my own personal integrity, I’m not willing to auto-tweet. I don’t want to be part of the problem, and I want to maintain my own reputation–because I think having a reputation as a good content curator is going to become more and more valuable.
What about you? Can automated syndication work, or does manual curation seem the better approach?
About the author: Neicole Crepeau is a speaker, blogger, columnist at {grow}, and co-founder of SMB Collective. She works at Coherent Interactive on social media, website design, mobile apps, & marketing. Connect with Neicole on Twitter at @neicolec.
Has anyone noticed that if you add a Twitter application like Twitpic or similar, that they have a clause in the agreement you have to click before giving you access that they're allowed to post tweets on your behalf? I thought that was kinda scary...
Here's what I read from one application:
"This application will be able to:
* Read Tweets from your timeline.
* See who you follow, and follow new people.
* Update your profile.
* Post Tweets on your behalf.
This application will not be able to:
* Access your private messages.
* See your Twitter password."
Of course all heck would break loose if one of these applications ever posted on my behalf... and I'm sure anyone who agrees with this post. Still, it makes me wonder why they put that in the agreement in the first place.
Hand select posts myself, but schedule them to go out so as not to overwhelm anyone with what I'm reading at the moment, which is usually back to back posts.
Whoo..
What an amazing post and important discussion....
I love it.. a lot of passion.. gr8 stuff :)
General speaking, when you look at relationship building on social media, then most users learn to filter the noise of mass/broadcast marketing...
I'm not a blogger, so i dont have a tribe.. but i'm in some tribes.. helping some bloggers i love to spread their word to my followers..
We learn that most twitter users don't really read their feed, and if a person follow many people he gets a lot of tweets ...
So...i see this discussion is more about the change in broadcast marketing and the importance of a more personal approach towards marketing in the social world...
Thank you for this discussion... i learned a lot from it.
Sharel
It sat uncomfortably with me at first but after I got invited to join a great Triberr I gave it a real shot and have been very happy with the results. Yes, there's a lot more noise but I do think that it benefits my business site because it's given me more comments, more visitors and more tweets. Now that can't be a bad thing.
Automation is necessary here if you're a business. For example, Buffer App is another brilliant service to help you connect, but this time through delayed (or buffered) tweets.
Because I don't have so much reach in the US or Australia, it's great to see my fellow Tribe sharing my posts in their regions. I hope the benefit is mutual.
Hi Jon,
That is very important for me to hear, and Im glad to hear you say it :-)
Giving Triberr a cursory glance might make it seam like an icky service, but one of the guiding and fundamental elements of building Triberr for me and Dan has been "is it on-code?".
"On-code" is a phrase used by psychologists to describe the natural flow of things in an equilibrium state.
In other words, on-code is a checks and balances guidebook where the site's mechanics are meant to be more-than-fair to all.
A good example of that are manual tweets.
If you have a guest post on another blog and you want to send it via your tribe, you can spend Bones to do so. However, part of the cost will go back to your tribesmates.
So, yes, you do get to use my twitter stream but you also compensate me in the form of Bones. These Bones can then be used by you to expand you tribe (for example).
Anyways...being on-code is a very important guiding principle for us and its what keeps us grounded and fair.
Thank you for noticing that :-)
Neicole,
I am just with Michael. You can and have to do automation at a certain level on certain things you really do trust. I have a handful of blogs whose RSS has been fed to my Market Me suite. I don't want to tweet those posts manually; I trust those bloggers for quality and I am sure my followers like that kind of posts.
You have to be careful though, when you select who comes in your tribe. You have to curate your tribe members very carefully. If you do so, then you don't have to worry about automated tweeting.
Jane.
Neicole, I respect your opinion on the Triberr issue and curating aspects of sharing online. I do my best to filter what I share with my followers also, not only to keep their feeds from getting cluttered, but it allows varying levels of sharing. Some posts I will comment, retweet and RT with a message, others, I may comment but not share at all. Some days I find nothing relevant to anything (few and far between, but it happens)and move on.
I used Triberr a couple of months ago (prior to the latest round of updates) as a tool to help with my overall reach. Being new to the blogging world, I was skeptical, but it looked like a great way to help draw traffic to me and cross-level audiences. At the time, I found it bordering the spammy side. The system was not spreading the tweets out as I had expected them to and the formatting of the automated tweets, while concise and following commonly agreed upon formatting, just looked plain and impersonal. I destroyed my territory.
Since giving it a shot again, I have found that several tweaks were implemented and several of those issues have been solved. As for the curating, I do not think it hinders me much to use a tool like Triberr because of my sharing practices. I can still RT at a later time if I really appreciate the post.
I do not feel that I am cheating my followers by doing this any more than I would be by announcing a post via Networked Blogs, Hootsuite, or any other scheduling program. As long as my readers know that I do engage them and continue to read the content I share, then I think we still have a win-win, loving relationship.
Awesome post. Danny, as always, you impress me with your ability to provide conversation worthy content!
Hey Brandon,
Thanks for giving Triberr another shot.
Start-up's have a lot of disadvantages (We can't hire any help, we're going to make a lot of mistakes, we develop features LIVE on the production environment, etc), but to our advantage, we're agile, we're passionate about what we're building, and we care about the community.
As we continue to evolve, we'll continue to help you keep that relationship with your followers authentic and engaging.
Dan,
Oh, absolutely. I get it completely. Same with beginning bloggers such as myself. I can only ask so many questions before paying for workshops and books. I make mistakes all the time (especially on Twitter) but I keep trudging on.
The impressive thing is watching what people do after these mistakes. Do they learn from it and make things better? Do they ignore everything they're told?
You guys are improving by leaps and bounds. I appreciate that. Funny thing is that there are many who do not understand the amount of work involved in making a better product, so they do not come back. I feel for you as a developer. :)
The #Triberr team are extremely responsive and consider ideas, and so, we give them many and often. They are getting better and better - and the start was a great thing already.
As for any problems with sharing others' posts to your Twitter feed, as a happy member of five Tribes, three bold statements for everyone to consider:
1. We are supposed to share in Twitter. You do it already, and so, even with the "auto" setting, up to one post/day to a twitter feed i not a huge burden.
2. You can set to "manual" - and delay approval/rejection of each and every blog tweet that would go to your account.
3. This is driving quality. That's right, quality. My blog used to be seen by a few people every time I published. Thanks to Triberr, my reach is 407,000 and growing. 21 people share my posts, a few of them manual/most auto, but I always get approved, at least so far. Instant Twitter health, with all the mentions included, and the reactions and comments have grown greatly. The Google Analytics suggest 4X growth in the last four weeks, but what puts a mile on my face are the bonafide relationships that are developing between tribemembers.
Welcome the Triberr "curious" and even doubters to hit me in Twitter or SKYPE for ideas and incredible Triberr stories and help in working Triberr in a way that suits your style:
1. Selecting the best Tribe that will take you (knock yourself out; the majority will not - just as you are picky about your Twitter feed, we Tribal Chief will look at your blog content and Twitter stats and decide if you should fill what are, after all, limited spaces);
2. Controlling your .rss to limit what gets fed to your tribemembers' Twitter accounts;
3. Collaborating with Triberr bloggers throughout the system
I love it, and am happy to give back.
I think both rationales have flaws.. Here's WHY:
1. We assume that our followers are not already inundated with content.
2. We assume that they are not filtering and weeding out the junk (see above).
3. We assume that people are always in the mood for the same type of stuff (this is an issue with "niche marketing" as well).
There are more assumptions but you get the idea. There is no magic solution or "one size fits all" approach here. Really, do automatic (or automagic) solutions preclude warmth, your authenticity and personal touch? I think not. 8)
...Whoops, this was supposed to be a reply in response to Neicole and Dino discussing the flaws in their respective logic. The point here is that there is no right or wrong but, certainly, what makes Triberr special is that Dino and Dan listen to people. You can't say that about too many things these days... ;)
I've been watching Triberr for a while now, and I LOVE the idea of having a tool to allow people to solve the content curation problem. HOWEVER, it still feels a bit too much like a spam tool. While I respect the "goal" of the tool that Dino and Dan have created, the reality is that people looking to push out quantity are more likely to use Triberr than people looking to fill their twitter streams with QUALITY. I suppose its a bit like email automation tools. Most businesses need them, but especially the spammers, who abuse/over-use them. It would be interesting to see if there is a reputation management side of Triberr coming. A way for people to "mark" tribe members (especially under the concept of super tribes) based on their activity levels. Of course this only matters until we have computers that can solve the Quality questions inherent in content curation.
Hi Brendan,
So...whenever I bring someone new into my Anubis tribe (25 members and growing) their first reaction is "Of shit, people are actually now reading my posts, I better put out quality stuff".
THAT has been the overwhelming response to joining tribes.
I thought, just like you, that the response would be "oh great, I can put out shitty content now that I have reach", but its been the opposite.
#NiceSurprise :-)
That's fantastic. That sort of accountability is good to improve quality across the board. My fear is centered around the people that want reach and don't give a rip about quality. I love how engaged you and Dan are with your product, and how you are actively working through the challenges and problems. For the record, I am a qualitatively and quantitatively poor blogger. Which is why the accountability you describe would be great for me, but my tribe wouldn't get the benefit of my membership.
As someone that previously was on the fence about Triberr for the same reasons, I can relate all the way. I think Dino and Dan are making big changes to bring the focus to quality standards, warm connections, and relevance enforcement. That said, I'm using the auto-tweet flavor of Triberr and I am happy with the results. Still, I get more participation and conversions from the stuff I do with that extra traffic. I don't think Dino launched Triberr as a way to cut corners because the man is all about "high touch" and networking with key influencers and supporters. I understand the worries about creating noise, but that's what filters and lists are for on Twitter, no?
Man, this is an in-depth conversation going down here!!! Bad ass! Love it!
I still have to go look triberr for myself but it seems to me that any program that automates a behavior you'd already do if you managed yourself as effectively as you possibly could is the way to roll. And it seems like Dino and Dan are getting in tune with what the market wants by steeping in this conversation here which I believe will be the key to making this better and better and better.
Thanks Neicole for sharing this post along with all of your thoughtful comments!
What a discussion...wow :-)
First, thank you Neicole for writing about Triberr. There is clearly something about it that burrowed its way into your head and this was a great way to get it out.
As a kind of a marketing dude myself, I believe that any publicity is good publicity, and the way you presented the information, I think this is GREAT publicity for Triberr. So, thank you :-)
One question that I've presented in the past to purists like yourself (and btw, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a purist) is this.
How do you know what 1,734 of your followers are in the mood to read right now?
You may have found an awesome post about catching bats using super glue which you plan on doing on your upcoming trip to the rain forest, and this "bat" post was the best thing to happen to you that day, and so you share it.
But what if one of your tribesmen has published a post that wasnt relevant to you at all and therefore, you found it less than exciting. The post is about latest avalanche on the Appalachian hiking trail, and one of your 1,734 would have seen it before they went for a hike, if only you had it automated.
They could choose to read what IS relevant to them (avalanche on the Appalachian hiking trail) and ignore the other that was relevant to you (catching bats in rain forest).
The thing is, and plz tell me if Im wrong about this, we DONT know what our followers want to read. So, if I know Dan publishes solid content about SEO, and some of my followers want SEO info, I dont have a problem tweeting every one of his posts.
If the other followers dont want SEO info, there is no gun to their head forcing them to click.
In fact, I think part of the charm of Twitter is very much like TV. We dont want to see whats on, we want to see what ELSE is on. Even if we dont click.
But, thats just me. I'd love to hear your take on this.
Happy to give you some publicity, Dino!! (And thanks to Danny for giving me the opportunity.) I really do like a lot of things about Triberr. And it works for a lot of people and has obviously really helped many people improve their reach.
I think the logic in your comment is flawed though. By that logic, we should all share everything, because somebody might want to read it. We then have no filters at all, and it actually becomes harder to find good content because we're getting so much thrown at us.
I, too, love Twitter. For an information junkie like me, it's terrific. But as a UX designer, I have to note that most people filter Twitter. Once they get beyond a certain threshold of tweeps they are following, people create lists in Twitter or third-party systems so that they mostly see the tweets from a select set of people. They filter because they need some way to reduce the flood and try to focus on the most useful and relevant information.
Also, from a marketing perspective, I want to build an audience of people who are my target customers. To attract them, I need to share information that will be of interest to those customers, which is probably not everything under the sun, but quality content around certain topics.
I really like the fact that when I do want to share a fellow tribe member's content, Triberr shares it multiple times a day for me. That's a handy feature that I would like to take advantage of. Because when I think something's good, I want it to get lots of exposure!!
Neicole--You've hit on my big concern with Triberr (and why I haven't joined): I don't want to flood my network with every post everyone has written. (Nor do I think every post I write is going to be relevant to all.)
We seem to have gotten very good at aggregation -- but we don't yet have tools that are doing a good job of curation.
Dan--If Triberr allows for "manual mode" retweets that is is good to know (and helpful). But then I'm not sure how much more useful this is than just finding interesting stuff via links others have tweeted out, via RSS, and so forth.
Certainly, a good discussion for us all to have.
Hey Daria,
I think Manual Mode has some interesting benefits over RSS feeds. For one, you may have joined a tribe because a friend invited you, but you're not sure who the others are in there. Manual Mode allows you to 'test the waters' a bit.
The other big advantage is that when you're brought into a tribe, you're exposed to new bloggers that might not be on your RSS feed. It's like having a friend (your chief) tell you, "Hey, add these bloggers to your RSS feed, cause their stuff is good". But instead of managing a dozens of RSS feeds, you've got a ready-to-tweet queue.
The last advantage is that we'll soon be adding quality scores to posts. This would be the equivalent to having an indicator on your RSS feed that says, "Lots of your friends liked this post, check it out first".
A final point worth mentioning, unrelated to Manual Mode" is Naked Stats. Without Naked Stats, you may know that 10 of your friends RT'd your post, but you have no idea if any of their followers clicked on it. Naked Stats shows you how many of each of your friends followers visited your post.
I could go on about other features like how Triberr schedules your posts to send to your Tweet Stream at the time of day your followers are most likely to see it, but that's another blog post all together.
We're only a few months old, and we're working on some new features that are just going to be mind-blowing for bloggers. It's exciting.
I wrote a post about turning off Twitterfeed about two weeks ago and going fully for hand picking the content I share with my Twitter audience. I find it takes a bit more time, and I don't update as often, but people can be sure that whatever I do post is because I have given it the virtual seal of approval. I think that's the best way to online authenticity because no matter how good the blog is, not everything they post is gold (myself included).
Neicole, I don't know if you caught it when I wrote it, but I also wrote a post on Triberr, early on, publicly breaking up with them. It was just days before the launch of manual mode and I was in a seriously large group of bloggers that I didn't really know. I was killing myself to keep up with the posts and comments and realized I was defeating the purpose of being in the tribe. The results of my brief time in the Tribe: my klout score improved, my twitter followers increased, but I felt disingenuous.
Fast forward to today and ironically enough, I just accepted an invitation from my friend Justin Brackett for a very small tribe of people that I know, but don't always read. Literally, just last night, I accepted the invitation and in my response to Justin, said, I'll have some explaining to do to people after my very public break up!
Short version of an upcoming blog post and why I chose to get back in:
the manual mode will allow me to curate the content;
I'm going in a million different directions and I'll now be able to catch new posts as they are 'queued up';
I'll broaden my reach (yes, that is important to me);
Since my tribe isn't full of people that I normally RT now, I won't be duplicating my content curation;
If I don't tweet posts often enough, I'll be kicked out.
Biggest reason: there are now mechanisms in place that will allow me to remain authentic, yet take advantage of some time-saving applications.
You can bet I agonized over this decision to jump in again. I'll be writing about it soon!
Funny, the timing of this post! I love it! I also love your content curation argument, Neicole! Best, Erica
Thanks, Erica. I will look for your post. As I said, I have no problem with using the new queue feature to actually read and choose what to share. In that case, you're taking advantage of the auto-scheduling part of Triberr.
In my case, I already have a couple of Tribes that I'm part of. Just not through Triberr. I use other tools to read their posts every day and share many of them, and I assume they read mine most day. More of that trust thing. I am technically part of a very small Tribe on Triberr, using the queue method. But I don't go into Triberr that much, because I read all their posts and share them anyway.
Triberr does have some advantages, though. I don't share my friends' posts multiple times a day, as Triberr does. That would be a reason to use the product, and I might use it more extensively at some point in the future. But, like you, I will always read what I share and be selective.
Hi Neicole,
I cant wait for Erica's new post :-)
Also, just as an FYI, Triberr doesnt share your posts multiple times per day via same Twitter stream. It sens it in staggered intervals one time via the tribe.
I just wanted to point that out before I go off and comment on some of the other comments :-)
Funny story: your post was one of the things that kept me from getting into Triberr, Erica.. But you're absolutely right: if your Tribe contains people you normally don't retweet, it makes sense to have that extra reach. Of course, you can't let Triberr do ALL the work for you: go out there, meet your fellow tribesmen and tribeswomen, and build rapport.
Currently, I've been feeling out my fellows in the "Birds of a Feather" tribe. Keri is particularly cool and insightful. Dave Gallant is also a great guy. I would not have met them otherwise so Triberr doubles as a social-professional networking, which differentiates it quite a bit, IMHO.
I can't wait for the coming weeks and months to see what new doors open up thanks to Triberr. As it is, I've got some great collaborations in the pipelines so I am glad I made the decision to join Triberr. Had I let the mostly preemptive negative articles about Triberr keep me away, I'd be missing out.
I tell you what, Dino and I are really excited to be at a place with the site where we can literally sit back and just focus on incorporating the many ideas the amazing community comes up with. Case and point... You mentioned that Triberr could double as a social-professional networking - sort of like a LinkedIn for Bloggers.
After hearing that idea, my mind automatically starts to envision Triberr scanning blog posts, tweeting patterns and connections to recommend bloggers who are similar in nature to each other.
Maybe these two bloggers operate in different circles (or tribes, hehe), but they both blog about the same stuff, have similar sized audiences, and live in the same state. Wouldn't that be cool if Triberr could, "Make the introduction" so to speak.
Or maybe you've been invited into a tribe and you're just meeting your tribesmen for the first time. Wouldn't it be neat if Triberr could give you a quick run down of each tribesmen with stats about what they blog about, their most popular posts, etc. Maybe even recommending which tribesmen would be good matches for guest blogging.
All of this stuff is going well beyond the utility of a simple syndication tool, and that's cool with us. If you saw Dino's latest guest post here on Danny's site, he talked about barriers to entry in the space. My takeaway from that was that a syndication tool is easy to copy, but a thriving community that mashes utility, social functionality with a dash of fun is not something easily replicated.
That's what we're shooting for, and it's not something Dino and I can build on our own. It would need to be done by the collective community, and so far it looks like we're headed in that direction.
Wow, Neicole. You nailed it here, at least in terms of my views. People may disagree, but I do not want to push out any content to my network that I haven't read (and endorsed).
I joined Tribrr by invitation but ended up dropping out for that very reason. My social networks are so important and I don;'t take the trust these people have paced in me lightly. I found people joining my tribe who I am sure were quality people but I had never met them, didn't know their work and had never read one of their blog posts. It just felt like I was losing control.
I started a Comment Buddies program as a little experiment a while back and tweeting and FBing each other's posts was an option, but only if we felt a post was share-worhy. Of course, in order to determine that, they would have to actually read the thing!
To me, my online reputation is too important to me to risk tarnishing it.
I, too, think Dino and Dan are a couple of brilliant guys who came up with something that is obviously meeting a lot of people's needs. Hats off to the two of them for their innovative thinking.
Thanks, Judy. You put it well: "My social networks are so important and I don't take the trust these people have placed in me lightly."
I haven't tried the Comment Buddies system. I've only just heard about it, actually, via Danny's blog. It sounded like it may have similar problems to auto-tweeting. So, I like your approach, with commenting still being optional.
Neicole, some great questions raised. However it seems to me you've presented the situation as either/or: we automate or we don't, and it's either good or bad.
The key to making this kind of automation work when you include it in with lots of manual curation is trust in the source.
You have to trust someone deeply to let them into your tribe in Triberr. It's a quality play, not quantity.
And yes, there are some people who's blog post I will automatically retweet using an automation service, because I love them but I got tired of doing it manually.
Tools are neither good nor bad, it's all in how you use them. If you're conscious of the experience you're crafting, you'll always choose the right tools and use them in the right way. For some that means they would never employ any form of automation at all, but for many of us, including choice forms of automation is part a successful strategy.
Michael,
Excellent point.
I think that might have been part of the problem for me. I wasn't doing any inviting, but people were just showing up in my tribe. I wasn't quite understanding how it worked and how those people got in my "tribe."
Thanks, Michael. Believe me, I'm not against automation. I schedule my tweets, for instance, even though some people think that's anathema.
I understand the trust aspect. But as I said, even for the bloggers whom I trust, I don't share all of their posts. There are blogs for which I share, probably, 80% to 90% of the posts. Not every post is relevant to my audience, though. Likewise, I wouldn't expect people to share all of my posts with their audiences.
I'm not a one-size fits all person. Everyone has their own philosophy and approach. I appreciate the benefits that Triberr offers. As I said, I just worry that auto-tweeting adds to the noise instead of helping us filter.
Hey Neicole,
It's like I wrote a response to this post from the future: http://triberr.com/blog/curating-content-can-machi...
In my post I make the argument that with machine learning, sites like Triberr could actually do a pretty good job at curating content, maybe even better than humans.
Of course humans will always be better at judging quality, but if machines can match quality, they will win because they are faster and more efficient. For example, you may only look at 10 posts a day and decide to share the best 2 of them with your audience, while machines can look at 10,000 posts a day, and can decide to share the best 2 of them with your audience.
If machines are capable of understanding "why" you shared the 2 that you shared, then in theory they would be the better curator, because they can scale easier.
Thanks for the post, and thanks to Danny for hosting such talented folks on his blog. Seems like this week is, "Content Curation" week on the web.
Thank you, Dan. I'll read your post. You're certainly not alone in believe that we can build product that will curate effectively. A number of companies (and their investors) are betting on it!
I worked at Microsoft for over a decade, and was familiar with some of the research into natural language search and automated evaluation of content. From what I understand, we have a ways to go before machines will be effective enough to replace humans.
As you point out, they can review a lot more posts that a human can. So, they definitely could sift through more to find good content. At this point, we could probably train our machines to evaluate whether a post is using good grammar, etc. Training them to evaluate whether the content is original, demonstrates thought leadership, and is of high-quality is another matter, though. I don't think a machine, at this point, could discern between a post written as a joke and a post that is serious. I think human curators are going to be around for quite a while, though eventually machines may replace us as curators.
I'll definitely read your blog post. And thank you for being so responsive to comments and questions about Triberr!
Hey Neicole,
Thanks for your response. Your thoughts are exactly on point - machines are great at determining relevancy, but they're really bad at determining quality. I totally agree with you.
Check out that post though. I make the argument that machines can monitor how humans react to content as a quality signal. Based on those signals they can start to make basic quality judgement calls.
The idea would never be to completely replace human curation. Just to get to a point where machines can sort through thousands of articles to deliver what they think will be good based on human quality signals, then we as humans can select the "best of the best" to share.
We're still a long way from that utopia, but we're moving there quickly.
Such a great topic. Thanks for sparking the conversation.
I share these comments at the risk of sounding like a fanboy or idealist but here goes... ;)
Dan "The Man" Cristo makes some compelling arguments for automation without foregoing warmth, quality, and relevance. Providing stronger context and moderation will help circumvent audience tune-outs, I think. Interestingly enough, I've put a bug in Dino's ear about these very issues so I'm excited to see Triberr break new grounds! Time will tell, as always.
After reading your post, it makes me wonder whether twitter needs curation at all because everyone I follow tweets and some of them are relevant to me and some I rather not care about. But it doesn't really bother me that they tweet like that.
crumpyliciousblog I can see your point and fair comment, no one with a good sized following does or would even want to read every Tweet.
On that very subject, Subjot has come up with a great Twitter alternative, where you follow individuals particular subjects rather than just individuals. A simple but inspired idea and even thought it's currently in private beta, it's getting some good press.
Back to Triberr, I believe that triberr's analytics show how many retweets people receive and therefore, if someone's post never received any it would indicate the posts were no good, irrelevant or they were just in the wrong tribe.
To me Triberr is a great marketing tool.
Best regards, thanks for the post, Peter
Thanks for the info. Will check those out and see if I can utilize them.=)
PeterMasters Thanks for jumping in and sharing that info with crumpyliciousblog , Peter - will keep my eye on Subjot.
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DannyBrowncrumpyliciousblog My pleasure Danny!!
I'm with you in that totally against these sorts of sites. Surely there has to be a bigger reason to be blogging rather than automatically tweeting other people's blog posts in return for a tiny piece of traffic. What if I write a blog post saying "All Arabs should be shot" and you go ahead and RT that? Add in the fact that Twitter sends tiny amounts of traffic and you get why I think this is a such a bad idea.
Thanks for the very informative article, Neicole. The company I work with, StoryCrawler, makes content curation pretty easy. It brings in information from across the Internet (blogs, news sites, social media, video, etc.) based on specific keywords the user wants to track. The user can then log into the dashboard and quickly curate the content for fast publication on any Internet or mobile platform. It's the perfect combination of automation and human curation.
Has anyone noticed that if you add a Twitter application like Twitpic or similar, that they have a clause in the agreement you have to click before giving you access that they're allowed to post tweets on your behalf? I thought that was kinda scary...
Here's what I read from one application:
"This application will be able to:
* Read Tweets from your timeline.
* See who you follow, and follow new people.
* Update your profile.
* Post Tweets on your behalf.
This application will not be able to:
* Access your private messages.
* See your Twitter password."
Of course all heck would break loose if one of these applications ever posted on my behalf... and I'm sure anyone who agrees with this post. Still, it makes me wonder why they put that in the agreement in the first place.
Hand select posts myself, but schedule them to go out so as not to overwhelm anyone with what I'm reading at the moment, which is usually back to back posts.
Hey there guys,
Can I just say, Whoa! :)
Neicole, thank you again for such a great guest post, and for starting such an awesome discussion from both sides of the fence. This is what's so great about blogging, and why I love the community here - points of view and counterpoints handled with respect and grace :)
And the Triberr guys for always being so responsive, and for acknowledging where they can improve - please stay like this even when you become monster-size huge! ;-)
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