When Sheep Tell the Shepherd to Flock Off

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There’s an interesting thing happening online at the minute – people are beginning to see through crap and filter out inane. Long-term fans and advocates of bloggers and social media “leaders” are looking at them and realizing that maybe they don’t have much to offer after all.

What’s even more interesting is not that this is happening, but that it’s being made clear on why it’s happening by the very people who might have otherwise been quiet and submissive until now.

Big name bloggers are seeing comments left on their blog’s, decrying the blatant self-promotion angle that’s taken over what used to be informative reading. Readers are questioning the value of a blog if there’s nothing but other writers on it, and not the blog’s owner.

Of course, does this really matter? After all, if a blog has subsciber numbers in the high thousands, who cares if you lose a reader here or there?

It’s a fair point. But the bigger question to ask might be this: if the sheep (and I say that out of respect and not as a generalization – sheep being loyal but quiet readers) are beginning to question you, and call you out, what do you think the more vocal and free-thinking web users are saying about you?

And how do you think this affects your business opportunities? To come back to the self-promoting blogger angle, the constant referencing to in-house products and offers changes in perception. Instead of seeming successful, the blogger (and their relevant companies) come across as not having had much uptake, and now that the sheep are thinking for themselves, we better try and make some money while we still can.

Of course, this is just an observation. Besides, sheep are good – the numbers must mean you’re doing something right. Right?

Maybe. Maybe not. But while your flock is questioning your leadership, they’re also looking to other bloggers who actually are providing A-list content all the time.

Folks like Nancy Davis, who’s writing some of the most personal and human relationship posts on the web today. Or Marcus Sheridan, who’s writing the kind of content marketing stuff that Junta42 used to be known for. Or Geoff Livingston, where every single post makes your brain razzle with the solid and real business content that Forbes should have, but don’t. Or Jk Allen, who uses his inimitable hustling style to give you some of the best entrepreneur information you’ll ever read.

And guess what? These guys, and others like them, have businesses. The kind that your business looks to win. So while you might be happy with the “loyal” silent readers boosting your traffic and AdAge rank, will they pay the bills when a business is looking at a blog and reaching out to the author for projects based on the content?

The mundane A-lister is dead. Long live the new real.

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Danny Brown is Chief Technologist at ArCompany and an award-winning marketer and blogger. His blog is recognized as the #1 marketing blog in the world by HubSpot. Danny is also co-author of Influence Marketing: How to Create, Manage and Measure Brand Influencers in Social Media Marketing.

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Kristen B.
Kristen B.

Sometimes I check out other prominent bloggers so that I could be able to learn from their wonderful insights on blogging. In that way, I could be able to apply it to my own strategies. I guess I should improve more of my blogging skills since I am not happy with my traffic lately. Maybe I should also reach out for quality content. Thanks for the insights.

Kristen B.
Kristen B.

Sometimes I check out other prominent bloggers so that I could be able to learn from their wonderful insights on blogging. In that way, I could be able to apply it to my own strategies. I guess I should improve more of my blogging skills since I am not happy with my traffic lately. Maybe I should also reach out for quality content. Thanks for the insights.

margie clayman (
margie clayman (

Well, I'd love to say that we're on the same wavelength but I wrote my post along similar lines last night whereas you had this written awhile before :)

A few months ago, probably, my response to this post would have been different. I feel (though perhaps you feel differently) that there has been a discernible change in the online world since around January. People that taught me a lot of what I think I know about social media are breaking every single rule. People have been showing their true colors - but not in a Cyndi Lauper kind of way.

I think in some ways this is good. Turning away from people I perhaps respected too much kind of frees me up a bit in a way that is hard to verbalize. I no longer am striving for their mention or their respect, even. But on the other hand, I feel there is a real rift developing in the online world, and I fear that some of the people who started on Twitter and in the blogosphere are going to lose their chance to talk to the people who are just starting now. That's a real shame.

Everyone is just human. We change. We make mistakes. But the amount of people who have done a personality 180 is kind of creeping me out a little.

Glad it's not just me.

margie clayman (@margieclayman)
margie clayman (@margieclayman) like.author.displayName 1 Like

Well, I'd love to say that we're on the same wavelength but I wrote my post along similar lines last night whereas you had this written awhile before :)

A few months ago, probably, my response to this post would have been different. I feel (though perhaps you feel differently) that there has been a discernible change in the online world since around January. People that taught me a lot of what I think I know about social media are breaking every single rule. People have been showing their true colors - but not in a Cyndi Lauper kind of way.

I think in some ways this is good. Turning away from people I perhaps respected too much kind of frees me up a bit in a way that is hard to verbalize. I no longer am striving for their mention or their respect, even. But on the other hand, I feel there is a real rift developing in the online world, and I fear that some of the people who started on Twitter and in the blogosphere are going to lose their chance to talk to the people who are just starting now. That's a real shame.

Everyone is just human. We change. We make mistakes. But the amount of people who have done a personality 180 is kind of creeping me out a little.

Glad it's not just me.

Danny
Danny

Hi Margie,

I think that's one of the biggest disappointments, the complete 180 in beliefs. It's all well and good changing - heck, we all need to adapt constantly to survive.

But a complete 180? That makes me think you were never serious in the first place, and were only writing things to attract traffic and followers.

I saw a blog post today that had five ads in the post - FIVE! And not one of them had any relevance to the post. Had to smile at the irony of the blog the post was on, and how it was so opposite to something the blogger was preaching against not even 18 months ago.

Ah well...

margie clayman (
margie clayman (

Well, I'd love to say that we're on the same wavelength but I wrote my post along similar lines last night whereas you had this written awhile before :) A few months ago, probably, my response to this post would have been different. I feel (though perhaps you feel differently) that there has been a discernible change in the online world since around January. People that taught me a lot of what I think I know about social media are breaking every single rule. People have been showing their true colors - but not in a Cyndi Lauper kind of way. I think in some ways this is good. Turning away from people I perhaps respected too much kind of frees me up a bit in a way that is hard to verbalize. I no longer am striving for their mention or their respect, even. But on the other hand, I feel there is a real rift developing in the online world, and I fear that some of the people who started on Twitter and in the blogosphere are going to lose their chance to talk to the people who are just starting now. That's a real shame. Everyone is just human. We change. We make mistakes. But the amount of people who have done a personality 180 is kind of creeping me out a little. Glad it's not just me.

Danny
Danny

Hi Margie, I think that's one of the biggest disappointments, the complete 180 in beliefs. It's all well and good changing - heck, we all need to adapt constantly to survive. But a complete 180? That makes me think you were never serious in the first place, and were only writing things to attract traffic and followers. I saw a blog post today that had five ads in the post - FIVE! And not one of them had any relevance to the post. Had to smile at the irony of the blog the post was on, and how it was so opposite to something the blogger was preaching against not even 18 months ago. Ah well...

Kim Davies
Kim Davies

Wow! Arriving late to a party does have its perks. It allows me to pick the brains of real people who may not consider themselves A-listers, but who for me are definitely up there. :)

Love this post and the comments that come right after it, Danny, which is the norm rather than the exception when it comes to what you offer. And, I am definitely learning a lot by following you, Gini, Griddy, Kaarina, Marcus, Brankica, John, Srinivas, Patricia and Bill, among many others. You guys are all stars in my book. I don't need A-listers when I have you guys in my list. You are more real than real for me. :)

Danny
Danny

Hey there Kim,

Thanks for the kind words, miss, and funny how the comments make a post even better, eh? ;-)

Kim Davies
Kim Davies

Wow! Arriving late to a party does have its perks. It allows me to pick the brains of real people who may not consider themselves A-listers, but who for me are definitely up there. :) Love this post and the comments that come right after it, Danny, which is the norm rather than the exception when it comes to what you offer. And, I am definitely learning a lot by following you, Gini, Griddy, Kaarina, Marcus, Brankica, John, Srinivas, Patricia and Bill, among many others. You guys are all stars in my book. I don't need A-listers when I have you guys in my list. You are more real than real for me. :)

Danny
Danny

Hey there Kim, Thanks for the kind words, miss, and funny how the comments make a post even better, eh? ;-)

Debra Ellis
Debra Ellis

Hi Danny, When I first started blogging several years ago, I followed the A-list bloggers' advice. After investing several months without getting traction, I started comparing what they say with what they do. It was very enlightening. Most of their advice is designed to help them, not their readers. I don't have a problem with people using their forum to promote themselves and make money. I do have a problem when the advice provided is blatantly misleading. For example, tips for increasing traffic to your blog that include "comment on other popular blogs for the backlinks. It will increase your Google page ranking and introduce you to new people" are wrong. It might introduce you to new people, but it won't do a thing for your Google ranking because comments are not followed by the Google bots. The default setting for the major blogging platforms is nofollow comments. What's even worse is the business advice they share freely without experience or education. I routinely advise my clients when they are hiring people for their marketing team to choose people with real marketing experience. It's easy to teach someone with a solid direct marketing or PR background how to do social media. The reverse? Not. So. Much.

Danny
Danny

Hey there Debra, These are solid points you make here. Like you say, many bloggers are sharing what works for them, or they're using outdated ideas that most of left behind years ago. It's something that just doesn't have the sustainability for long-term. You can only peddle crap for so long; then you're weaknesses show. I see that happening all over at the minute; and I love it. Because it means great bloggers like the ones mentioned in the post, and others like them, are looking even better, because they're killing it with every post. Thanks, Debra! :)

Debra Ellis
Debra Ellis

Hi Danny,

When I first started blogging several years ago, I followed the A-list bloggers' advice. After investing several months without getting traction, I started comparing what they say with what they do. It was very enlightening.

Most of their advice is designed to help them, not their readers. I don't have a problem with people using their forum to promote themselves and make money. I do have a problem when the advice provided is blatantly misleading. For example, tips for increasing traffic to your blog that include "comment on other popular blogs for the backlinks. It will increase your Google page ranking and introduce you to new people" are wrong. It might introduce you to new people, but it won't do a thing for your Google ranking because comments are not followed by the Google bots. The default setting for the major blogging platforms is nofollow comments.

What's even worse is the business advice they share freely without experience or education. I routinely advise my clients when they are hiring people for their marketing team to choose people with real marketing experience. It's easy to teach someone with a solid direct marketing or PR background how to do social media. The reverse? Not. So. Much.

Danny
Danny

Hey there Debra,

These are solid points you make here. Like you say, many bloggers are sharing what works for them, or they're using outdated ideas that most of left behind years ago.

It's something that just doesn't have the sustainability for long-term. You can only peddle crap for so long; then you're weaknesses show.

I see that happening all over at the minute; and I love it. Because it means great bloggers like the ones mentioned in the post, and others like them, are looking even better, because they're killing it with every post.

Thanks, Debra! :)

Nail Yener
Nail Yener

Danny,

You are touching to a very important topic today. Actually, just yesterday I was thinking about this. I was browsing some of the most popular internet marketing blogs and I was wondering why they were getting such low response as opposed to what their traffic and subscriber stats were telling.

Now it all makes sense after reading your post.

Nail

Danny
Danny

Hi Nail,

I guess if you don't have anything worth discussing, it won't get discussed... ;-)

Take Bill Dorman from earlier in the comments. He mentions that he has a low subscriber base, but he's getting 50, 60, 70 and upwards comments in each post. Many "A-listers" would kill for that interaction.

You can have 100,000 subscribers but sucky content is sucky content. ;-)

Cheers, mate!

Nail Yener
Nail Yener

Danny, You are touching to a very important topic today. Actually, just yesterday I was thinking about this. I was browsing some of the most popular internet marketing blogs and I was wondering why they were getting such low response as opposed to what their traffic and subscriber stats were telling. Now it all makes sense after reading your post. Nail

Danny
Danny

Hi Nail, I guess if you don't have anything worth discussing, it won't get discussed... ;-) Take Bill Dorman from earlier in the comments. He mentions that he has a low subscriber base, but he's getting 50, 60, 70 and upwards comments in each post. Many "A-listers" would kill for that interaction. You can have 100,000 subscribers but sucky content is sucky content. ;-) Cheers, mate!

Steve Birkett
Steve Birkett

It's easy to get bogged down in the cult of personality, yet whether a blog is heavily centered around an individual or multiple writers there's really only one thing of importance: quality, relevant content.

My take on what is worthwhile and relevant will be as different as the next person's but we can all tell when someone is coasting. From one of my earliest marketing classes, I still recall the analogy of branding spend to that of a plane: when it runs out of fuel it will still glide for a time but the descent thereafter is sharp and catastrophic. Content is the currency of the blogger.

Overall, I don't think the core of what's striking folks here is the undefined 'A-list' or balance of guest posts, as much as it is the consistency of the content and the community that springs up around it. So long as the author(s) - widely known or otherwise - respect those criteria first and foremost, the blog is likely to resonate with the desired core audience.

Danny
Danny

Hi there Steve,

That's a great point about relevance and audience, and how we can still spot coasting. I think that's where the current turn-offs are happening, when the existing "fans" of a blogger are leaving.

Like you say, content is your currency - gotta protect these shares. ;)

Cheers, mate.

Steve Birkett
Steve Birkett

It's easy to get bogged down in the cult of personality, yet whether a blog is heavily centered around an individual or multiple writers there's really only one thing of importance: quality, relevant content. My take on what is worthwhile and relevant will be as different as the next person's but we can all tell when someone is coasting. From one of my earliest marketing classes, I still recall the analogy of branding spend to that of a plane: when it runs out of fuel it will still glide for a time but the descent thereafter is sharp and catastrophic. Content is the currency of the blogger. Overall, I don't think the core of what's striking folks here is the undefined 'A-list' or balance of guest posts, as much as it is the consistency of the content and the community that springs up around it. So long as the author(s) - widely known or otherwise - respect those criteria first and foremost, the blog is likely to resonate with the desired core audience.

Danny
Danny

Hi there Steve, That's a great point about relevance and audience, and how we can still spot coasting. I think that's where the current turn-offs are happening, when the existing "fans" of a blogger are leaving. Like you say, content is your currency - gotta protect these shares. ;) Cheers, mate.

Jack@TheJackB
Jack@TheJackB

I am not bothered by self promotion. I don't believe in A-list bloggers and I know that putting mayo on a pastrami sandwich is blasphemy.

The sky is blue. Water is wet and most social media experts aren't. Half or more of the blogs you read today won't be around in three years.

There is no one way to be successful in blogging. If I had to break things down into what I consider to be most important I would say that 40% is content, 40% is your community and leave 20% for everything else.

If you continue to engage and interact with your community you will take care of them and they will take care of you.

At least that is how I try to operate. With a little luck I'll come back to this post in three years and say that the theory proved to be sound.

Danny
Danny

Hey there Jack,

Couldn't agree more, mate - I wrote about the A-lister myth a while back, and how it's a fallacy because of relevance.

Here's to more people using your metrics. :)

Jack@TheJackB
Jack@TheJackB

I am not bothered by self promotion. I don't believe in A-list bloggers and I know that putting mayo on a pastrami sandwich is blasphemy. The sky is blue. Water is wet and most social media experts aren't. Half or more of the blogs you read today won't be around in three years. There is no one way to be successful in blogging. If I had to break things down into what I consider to be most important I would say that 40% is content, 40% is your community and leave 20% for everything else. If you continue to engage and interact with your community you will take care of them and they will take care of you. At least that is how I try to operate. With a little luck I'll come back to this post in three years and say that the theory proved to be sound.

Danny
Danny

Hey there Jack, Couldn't agree more, mate - I wrote about the A-lister myth a while back, and how it's a fallacy because of relevance. Here's to more people using your metrics. :)

Justice Wordlaw IV
Justice Wordlaw IV

I have to agree with you on this Danny. I have noticed a lot of blogs that just have a lot of guest writers that just write for them. It seems that they got involved with so many other projects that it neglected the main reason they get successful in the first place.

Danny
Danny

Hi mate, I think guest writers can definitely work, but only if you have a strong editorial process (think of Copyblogger). Quality is key always, whether it's a single author blog or a multi-author one. Cheers, mate.

Justice Wordlaw IV
Justice Wordlaw IV

I have to agree with you on this Danny. I have noticed a lot of blogs that just have a lot of guest writers that just write for them. It seems that they got involved with so many other projects that it neglected the main reason they get successful in the first place.

Danny
Danny

Hi mate,

I think guest writers can definitely work, but only if you have a strong editorial process (think of Copyblogger).

Quality is key always, whether it's a single author blog or a multi-author one.

Cheers, mate.

paul wolfe
paul wolfe

Danny I think what your talking about is very much a natural cycle of development - you get someone in a field who turns up and they're hungry and they climb towards the top of their field. Then when they get there, they lose that hunger, and they're just doing what they can to maintain the status quo. And someone will come into the field, they'll have that hunger that the 'A List' player has lost. And eventually the A List player will decline and be replaced. What will be utterly fascinating and absorbing will be to see how people like Marcus and JK and yourself are doing in 3 years time. Will you be A-Listers and concerned with maintaining the status quo - or will you still be putting out the quality stuff that we all know and love? Thanks for mentioning Geoff - not come across him before, always looking for blogs that are new to me to check out! Paul

Danny
Danny

You know who I always think of, Paul? James Dyson. The guy has basically taken over the the vacuum cleaner industry and made others copy his approach. Now he wants to do the same with the hand dryer industry. And you know what? They are the world's best hand dryers!! ;-) That's a solid point you make about where everyone will be in three years. Hopefully no different - but then that's the trick, right? And yes, you'll like Geoff - he's outstanding. :)

paul wolfe
paul wolfe

Danny

I think what your talking about is very much a natural cycle of development - you get someone in a field who turns up and they're hungry and they climb towards the top of their field.

Then when they get there, they lose that hunger, and they're just doing what they can to maintain the status quo. And someone will come into the field, they'll have that hunger that the 'A List' player has lost. And eventually the A List player will decline and be replaced.

What will be utterly fascinating and absorbing will be to see how people like Marcus and JK and yourself are doing in 3 years time. Will you be A-Listers and concerned with maintaining the status quo - or will you still be putting out the quality stuff that we all know and love?

Thanks for mentioning Geoff - not come across him before, always looking for blogs that are new to me to check out!

Paul

paul wolfe
paul wolfe

Danny

I think what your talking about is very much a natural cycle of development - you get someone in a field who turns up and they're hungry and they climb towards the top of their field.

Then when they get there, they lose that hunger, and they're just doing what they can to maintain the status quo. And someone will come into the field, they'll have that hunger that the 'A List' player has lost. And eventually the A List player will decline and be replaced.

What will be utterly fascinating and absorbing will be to see how people like Marcus and JK and yourself are doing in 3 years time. Will you be A-Listers and concerned with maintaining the status quo - or will you still be putting out the quality stuff that we all know and love?

Thanks for mentioning Geoff - not come across him before, always looking for blogs that are new to me to check out!

Paul

Danny
Danny

You know who I always think of, Paul? James Dyson.

The guy has basically taken over the the vacuum cleaner industry and made others copy his approach. Now he wants to do the same with the hand dryer industry. And you know what? They are the world's best hand dryers!! ;-)

That's a solid point you make about where everyone will be in three years. Hopefully no different - but then that's the trick, right? And yes, you'll like Geoff - he's outstanding. :)

Jeff Esposito
Jeff Esposito

Danny - the big thing is that readers are starting to catch the drift that some folks are full of shit and that they believe their own hype. The re-circulation of case studies for the umptenth time and rehasing the same message is what has turned me off many blogs.

Danny
Danny

I think that's the key phrase, mate - "believe their own hype".

Unfortunately (for them), others don't believe the hype, and it's starting to become apparent...

Jeff Esposito
Jeff Esposito

Wait so the Engage or Die tattoos aren't selling well?

Jeff Esposito
Jeff Esposito

Danny - the big thing is that readers are starting to catch the drift that some folks are full of shit and that they believe their own hype. The re-circulation of case studies for the umptenth time and rehasing the same message is what has turned me off many blogs.

Danny
Danny

I think that's the key phrase, mate - "believe their own hype". Unfortunately (for them), others don't believe the hype, and it's starting to become apparent...

Jeff Esposito
Jeff Esposito

Wait so the Engage or Die tattoos aren't selling well?

Dan Perez
Dan Perez

Ballsy post, Danny. But I'm seeing the same thing - from the so-called "A-Listers" to the D-Listers who copy them. As I visit these blogs, I'm actually seeing more of the type of comments you described here but on the B-D Listers I'm seeing something else: no comments (or very few). People are getting tired of copycat posts and posts that aren't offering something new. Hopefully, this trend will continue and we'll see the many talented writers out there step to the forefront as disgruntled "sheep" look for other shepherds. Nicely done.

Danny
Danny

Damn, I KNEW I'd forgotten something! Such a great point about the copycat bloggers, mate. Like you say, they're not offering anything new. So, if I've already commented on one post, why would I take the time to comment on its clone? ;-) Cheers, mate!

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