Social Media Gurus, Real Work and Diversity

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This is a guest post by Olivier Blanchard.

Earlier this year, Danny wrote a post about social media diversity, that received a fair bit of conversation both on his blog, and away from it.

Maybe diversity has nothing to do with it, though. Maybe the answer is far simpler than that.

From where I stand, it says something about 30-40 year old white dudes that so many of them feel compelled to spend all day talking about social media and how to get better at social media, and how to make more money with social media and how to get more followers on social media and how to be more time-efficient on social media and how to measure their influence on social media and how to get jobs through social media and how to become speakers and experts and gurus and f***ing ninjas on social media, and everyone else doesn’t.

Maybe the fact that no one else does this is because most other people out there in the real world are more concerned with solving real problems than becoming the next Seth Godin?

And because these folks are out there doing real work instead of pontificating about Google + or investing in one another on Empire Avenue, they neither have time nor feel the need to create idealized versions of themselves on the interwebs (you know, a version in which they are brilliant and cool and successful instead of being your garden variety slob.)

No Diversity? Think Again

I could be wrong, but from where I stand, there is no diversity problem in social media. I see every religion, nationality, ethnicity, culture and community represented in the social web. You know why? Because I, like you, see beyond the glow of our own little imaginary twitternet stars. The guys I learn from are in Asia. In Africa. In Europe. In the Middle East. In Latin America. They aren’t just SxSW and Blogworld speakers. They aren’t experts or gurus either.

The only real problem touching on diversity I see in the “social media space” is this: About four dozen assholes in the US and Canada making up an imaginary social media “industry,” who suddenly realized a week ago that with all the navel-gazing and ego projection fueling their “thought leadership,” they have mostly managed to cater to people who conveniently look and sound just like them. Wow. How did THAT happen?

By the by, if they ever manage to pull their heads out of their asses long enough to get some oxygen back into their brains, they will either meet or remember having met – among hundreds of thousands of other social media users who are not pre-midlife crisis white dudes – Rohit Bhargava, Maz Nadjm, Jeremiah Owyang, Gabrielle Laine Peters, Karima Catherine Goudiam, Bonin Bough, Liva Judic, Monika Melsha, Guy Kawasaki, Chris Penn, Danielle Lewis, Peter Kim, Charlene Li, CD, Hajj Flemings, and many, many, MANY more who, last time I checked, contributed more to the social media world than all of their “white” social media guru blog posts combined, and managed to do so while being other than strictly caucasian.

So. What’s the next big topic for the “we’ve run out of things to talk about social media guru” crowd: Why aren’t there more foreigners involved in social media?

Someone really needs to pinpoint the exact moment when “social media expert” became synonymous with “dumbass” so we can add that to Wikipedia.

Note: This was originally a comment by Olivier on my post about diversity. I just thought it would be a great standalone post to complement the original, and Olivier kindly agreed to let it run as such.

Olivier BlanchardAbout the author: Olivier Blanchard is Principal at BrandBuilder, Inc., an East Coast-based New/Social Media consultancy and Marketing management firm. He’s also the author of the book Social Media ROI, and owner of The BrandBuilder Blog. Follow Olivier on Twitter at @thebrandbuilder.

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Danny Brown is Chief Technologist at ArCompany and an award-winning marketer and blogger. His blog is recognized as the #1 marketing blog in the world by HubSpot. Danny is also co-author of Influence Marketing: How to Create, Manage and Measure Brand Influencers in Social Media Marketing.

146 comments
Muhammad Karim
Muhammad Karim

I totally agree. I've met Liva Judic (@merrybubbles) and she is the most knowledgeable person I know on Social Media. Total Social Media Rock Star.

Muhammad Karim
Muhammad Karim

I totally agree. I've met Liva Judic (@merrybubbles) and she is the most knowledgeable person I know on Social Media. Total Social Media Rock Star.

Muhammad Karim
Muhammad Karim

I totally agree. I've met Liva Judic (@merrybubbles) and she is the most knowledgeable person I know on Social Media. Total Social Media Rock Star.

Wes Towers@GraphicDesignMelbourne
Wes Towers@GraphicDesignMelbourne

Hey there, Danny. It's been a while, mate. But what a great post to find after a busy life. If you didn't say this was a comment, I wouldn't have known. It is such a meaty diatribe. :)
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Hi, Olivier. First time to comment on anything you have to say, sir, but I'm glad it was this post than any other. I did make the mistake of branding myself as an expert in graphic and web design down under for a while. Then I realised that tagging myself as an expert will just bring a connotation that I may not be able to live up to. So, I scrapped the expert and let my work and my brand speak for itself. Now, I am snowed under with so much work that I barely have time to visit the blogs of the people that I admire (and Seth Godin is not one of them). There are so much more great guys out on the blogosphere who may not say they are gurus but who are brilliant in their own right.

It's good to interact with you here, Olivier. If I wasn't so strapped for time, I would head on over to your blog right now. But, I will do that one of these days.

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Hey Wes. Thanks for the kind words. The blog is always there in case you need it, so don't feel bad about only hitting it every once in a while. And these days, I write maybe 2 posts per week instead of 5-6, so only checking it out every few weeks is more than manageable.

Glad to hear you're doing well. :)

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Hey Wes. Thanks for the kind words. The blog is always there in case you need it, so don't feel bad about only hitting it every once in a while. And these days, I write maybe 2 posts per week instead of 5-6, so only checking it out every few weeks is more than manageable.

Glad to hear you're doing well. :)

Wes Towers@GraphicDesignMelbourne
Wes Towers@GraphicDesignMelbourne

Hey there, Danny. It's been a while, mate. But what a great post to find after a busy life. If you didn't say this was a comment, I wouldn't have known. It is such a meaty diatribe. :) ----------------------------------------------------- Hi, Olivier. First time to comment on anything you have to say, sir, but I'm glad it was this post than any other. I did make the mistake of branding myself as an expert in graphic and web design down under for a while. Then I realised that tagging myself as an expert will just bring a connotation that I may not be able to live up to. So, I scrapped the expert and let my work and my brand speak for itself. Now, I am snowed under with so much work that I barely have time to visit the blogs of the people that I admire (and Seth Godin is not one of them). There are so much more great guys out on the blogosphere who may not say they are gurus but who are brilliant in their own right. It's good to interact with you here, Olivier. If I wasn't so strapped for time, I would head on over to your blog right now. But, I will do that one of these days.

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Hey Wes. Thanks for the kind words. The blog is always there in case you need it, so don't feel bad about only hitting it every once in a while. And these days, I write maybe 2 posts per week instead of 5-6, so only checking it out every few weeks is more than manageable. Glad to hear you're doing well. :)

Peggy Fitzpatrick
Peggy Fitzpatrick

Hi Danny! Haven't had the pleasure of meeting you!

Olivier~

Someone really needs to pinpoint the exact moment when “social media expert” became synonymous with “dumbass” so we can add that to Wikipedia << amen!!

I can't decide if I like the post or the kick ass comments better.

Best post read in a VERY long time.
You rock,

Peggy

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

That dilemma is always the mark of a good blog: Good posts or not, a good blog attracts smart readers and lively discussions. In a way, the piece doesn't end up with the clicking of the "publish" button. It goes on in chapters through the comments.

Cheers. :)

Peggy Fitzpatrick
Peggy Fitzpatrick

Hi Danny! Haven't had the pleasure of meeting you!

Olivier~

Someone really needs to pinpoint the exact moment when “social media expert” became synonymous with “dumbass” so we can add that to Wikipedia << amen!!

I can't decide if I like the post or the kick ass comments better.

Best post read in a VERY long time.
You rock,

Peggy

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

That dilemma is always the mark of a good blog: Good posts or not, a good blog attracts smart readers and lively discussions. In a way, the piece doesn't end up with the clicking of the "publish" button. It goes on in chapters through the comments.

Cheers. :)

Peggy Fitzpatrick
Peggy Fitzpatrick

Hi Danny! Haven't had the pleasure of meeting you! Olivier~ Someone really needs to pinpoint the exact moment when “social media expert” became synonymous with “dumbass” so we can add that to Wikipedia << amen!! I can't decide if I like the post or the kick ass comments better. Best post read in a VERY long time. You rock, Peggy

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

That dilemma is always the mark of a good blog: Good posts or not, a good blog attracts smart readers and lively discussions. In a way, the piece doesn't end up with the clicking of the "publish" button. It goes on in chapters through the comments. Cheers. :)

Jackie Lampugnano
Jackie Lampugnano

I think the lack of diversity among "social media gurus" has more to do with the content than the people ("gurus"). I definitely agree that it's easy for us to claim lack of diversity if we can't see beyond our own social graph, but these comments also prove there is a diversity among the so-called experts (I'm not sure that word is ever the best way to describe someone in an ever-changing space). However, what these experts are saying has all started to sound the same. Maybe it's true that there just isn't anything new to talk about anymore. Maybe people have become too immersed in it to see it for what it really is, so now as soon as the new thing like Google+ comes out we see hundreds of posts about "what will it mean for your business?" when in fact it might not mean anything at all. Or, maybe the "gurus" just nailed it the first time around so there's no need to keep harping on the same subject. Bottom line: I think we'd all like to see someone say something new and different in this space. And if that exists, can someone please point me in that direction? Thank you!

Jackie Lampugnano
Jackie Lampugnano

I think the lack of diversity among "social media gurus" has more to do with the content than the people ("gurus"). I definitely agree that it's easy for us to claim lack of diversity if we can't see beyond our own social graph, but these comments also prove there is a diversity among the so-called experts (I'm not sure that word is ever the best way to describe someone in an ever-changing space).

However, what these experts are saying has all started to sound the same. Maybe it's true that there just isn't anything new to talk about anymore. Maybe people have become too immersed in it to see it for what it really is, so now as soon as the new thing like Google+ comes out we see hundreds of posts about "what will it mean for your business?" when in fact it might not mean anything at all.

Or, maybe the "gurus" just nailed it the first time around so there's no need to keep harping on the same subject.

Bottom line: I think we'd all like to see someone say something new and different in this space.

And if that exists, can someone please point me in that direction? Thank you!

Jackie Lampugnano
Jackie Lampugnano

I think the lack of diversity among "social media gurus" has more to do with the content than the people ("gurus"). I definitely agree that it's easy for us to claim lack of diversity if we can't see beyond our own social graph, but these comments also prove there is a diversity among the so-called experts (I'm not sure that word is ever the best way to describe someone in an ever-changing space).

However, what these experts are saying has all started to sound the same. Maybe it's true that there just isn't anything new to talk about anymore. Maybe people have become too immersed in it to see it for what it really is, so now as soon as the new thing like Google+ comes out we see hundreds of posts about "what will it mean for your business?" when in fact it might not mean anything at all.

Or, maybe the "gurus" just nailed it the first time around so there's no need to keep harping on the same subject.

Bottom line: I think we'd all like to see someone say something new and different in this space.

And if that exists, can someone please point me in that direction? Thank you!

Luca
Luca

Compelling. But im sure Danny wouldn't have minded if you had said fucking without starring out the best letters.

Firstly, congratulations to Olivier. For a while I've been following this chap lay down the realism of this shit hole industry and have shared one or two rants with him myself.

I would love to rain down a storm of what I really think about the douche-bags in this place, but as Olivier so rightly pointed out; most of us get paid to do a job and that is not £50,000 for a one hour keynote on 'how to gain more customers using Facebook' to the mentally retarded, overpaid soon to be extinct dinosaurs who make most of the global decisions that influence our pay grade. So ill try and be brief...

There is no one size fits all strategy here. There are no experts. There are only experienced and inexperienced marketers. However, no matter how experienced, that doesn't mean their input into my next marketing strategy will make me rich therefore their blog posts are generally over generic and irrelevant.

The issue is the information is free to air. Read enough of it and you believe you know it. Discuss enough of it and those listening believe you are an expert. No degree, No PHD, Not even a subscriber base of 10 who are all buying your under-formatted e-book.

I love to follow the 'thought leaders' in the space because it reminds me of how small the gap is between my brain and there's, yet how big their house supposedly is compared to my room in my mums house.

As @MargieClayman noted, we all talk shit, waffle and give our opinion on the industry and there are much more pressing matters to worry about.

This whole social media crap has given us all an opportunity to be heard and that is fantastic.

This little Italian lad (me) with a worthless Music degree is soon to be at the top of a London agency within less than 2 years of leaving University, and as selfish as it may be, by acting like an expert to a small audience and manipulating my voice, opportunities I never would have had have come my way.

Does that make me a guru? Maybe it does, but I think I deserve much more credit than being labelled that. As do all the people Olivier mentioned and Danny and everyone who had the insight to comment with intent and conviction.

The guru's are not building a legacy, they are not reading your comments and taking the time to reply and they are definitely not striving to make the world a better place.

My philosophy is the layer cake. If you've seen the film you'll know what I mean.

"You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you've forgotten what shit even looks like."

As for the social media space and it's guru's. I thank them for making me realise a lot about myself that I didn't even know and showing me the good and bad I can take to better myself and hopefully in due course; those around me.

Luca
Luca

Compelling. But im sure Danny wouldn't have minded if you had said fucking without starring out the best letters.

Firstly, congratulations to Olivier. For a while I've been following this chap lay down the realism of this shit hole industry and have shared one or two rants with him myself.

I would love to rain down a storm of what I really think about the douche-bags in this place, but as Olivier so rightly pointed out; most of us get paid to do a job and that is not £50,000 for a one hour keynote on 'how to gain more customers using Facebook' to the mentally retarded, overpaid soon to be extinct dinosaurs who make most of the global decisions that influence our pay grade. So ill try and be brief...

There is no one size fits all strategy here. There are no experts. There are only experienced and inexperienced marketers. However, no matter how experienced, that doesn't mean their input into my next marketing strategy will make me rich therefore their blog posts are generally over generic and irrelevant.

The issue is the information is free to air. Read enough of it and you believe you know it. Discuss enough of it and those listening believe you are an expert. No degree, No PHD, Not even a subscriber base of 10 who are all buying your under-formatted e-book.

I love to follow the 'thought leaders' in the space because it reminds me of how small the gap is between my brain and there's, yet how big their house supposedly is compared to my room in my mums house.

As @MargieClayman noted, we all talk shit, waffle and give our opinion on the industry and there are much more pressing matters to worry about.

This whole social media crap has given us all an opportunity to be heard and that is fantastic.

This little Italian lad (me) with a worthless Music degree is soon to be at the top of a London agency within less than 2 years of leaving University, and as selfish as it may be, by acting like an expert to a small audience and manipulating my voice, opportunities I never would have had have come my way.

Does that make me a guru? Maybe it does, but I think I deserve much more credit than being labelled that. As do all the people Olivier mentioned and Danny and everyone who had the insight to comment with intent and conviction.

The guru's are not building a legacy, they are not reading your comments and taking the time to reply and they are definitely not striving to make the world a better place.

My philosophy is the layer cake. If you've seen the film you'll know what I mean.

"You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you've forgotten what shit even looks like."

As for the social media space and it's guru's. I thank them for making me realise a lot about myself that I didn't even know and showing me the good and bad I can take to better myself and hopefully in due course; those around me.

Luca
Luca

Compelling. But im sure Danny wouldn't have minded if you had said fucking without starring out the best letters. Firstly, congratulations to Olivier. For a while I've been following this chap lay down the realism of this shit hole industry and have shared one or two rants with him myself. I would love to rain down a storm of what I really think about the douche-bags in this place, but as Olivier so rightly pointed out; most of us get paid to do a job and that is not £50,000 for a one hour keynote on 'how to gain more customers using Facebook' to the mentally retarded, overpaid soon to be extinct dinosaurs who make most of the global decisions that influence our pay grade. So ill try and be brief... There is no one size fits all strategy here. There are no experts. There are only experienced and inexperienced marketers. However, no matter how experienced, that doesn't mean their input into my next marketing strategy will make me rich therefore their blog posts are generally over generic and irrelevant. The issue is the information is free to air. Read enough of it and you believe you know it. Discuss enough of it and those listening believe you are an expert. No degree, No PHD, Not even a subscriber base of 10 who are all buying your under-formatted e-book. I love to follow the 'thought leaders' in the space because it reminds me of how small the gap is between my brain and there's, yet how big their house supposedly is compared to my room in my mums house. As @MargieClayman noted, we all talk shit, waffle and give our opinion on the industry and there are much more pressing matters to worry about. This whole social media crap has given us all an opportunity to be heard and that is fantastic. This little Italian lad (me) with a worthless Music degree is soon to be at the top of a London agency within less than 2 years of leaving University, and as selfish as it may be, by acting like an expert to a small audience and manipulating my voice, opportunities I never would have had have come my way. Does that make me a guru? Maybe it does, but I think I deserve much more credit than being labelled that. As do all the people Olivier mentioned and Danny and everyone who had the insight to comment with intent and conviction. The guru's are not building a legacy, they are not reading your comments and taking the time to reply and they are definitely not striving to make the world a better place. My philosophy is the layer cake. If you've seen the film you'll know what I mean. "You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you've forgotten what shit even looks like." As for the social media space and it's guru's. I thank them for making me realise a lot about myself that I didn't even know and showing me the good and bad I can take to better myself and hopefully in due course; those around me.

Jeff Jacobs
Jeff Jacobs

My Mom used to say the "Talkers aren't the Doers". While I think she was probably talking about teenage boys and sex at the time, as far as I am concerned, that applies to SocMed today. I mean, who really cares that the pocket protectors are talking about themselves, or each other? I put as much stock in what most of the "A" list says as I would anyone who was playing video games in the basement three years ago. Show me someone that is actually using the medium to be a "doer", and I don't care what "list" they, or others, put them on. I don't have any problem finding diversity today in SocMed at all- it's only a good search engine away. Empower diversity with your RSS feed- delete the talkers, and follow the doers.

Brian Driggs
Brian Driggs

@Jeff, recall that Hemingway said, "You lose if you talk about it." Funny that, right? I love the metaphor of high school sex. It's like that girl in "American Beauty," who acted the overt sexpot, only to reveal herself a timid virgin in the end.

This is quite the morning. I read TBB's post, get all psyched, land here (the very next item in the reader - my "dailies" group), OMG. MOAR TBB.

This is a good reminder. Less talk about DSC. More talk about applied DSC to benefit people, process, planet.

Brian Driggs
Brian Driggs

@Jeff, recall that Hemingway said, "You lose if you talk about it." Funny that, right? I love the metaphor of high school sex. It's like that girl in "American Beauty," who acted the overt sexpot, only to reveal herself a timid virgin in the end.

This is quite the morning. I read TBB's post, get all psyched, land here (the very next item in the reader - my "dailies" group), OMG. MOAR TBB.

This is a good reminder. Less talk about DSC. More talk about applied DSC to benefit people, process, planet.

Jeff Jacobs
Jeff Jacobs

My Mom used to say the "Talkers aren't the Doers". While I think she was probably talking about teenage boys and sex at the time, as far as I am concerned, that applies to SocMed today. I mean, who really cares that the pocket protectors are talking about themselves, or each other? I put as much stock in what most of the "A" list says as I would anyone who was playing video games in the basement three years ago. Show me someone that is actually using the medium to be a "doer", and I don't care what "list" they, or others, put them on. I don't have any problem finding diversity today in SocMed at all- it's only a good search engine away. Empower diversity with your RSS feed- delete the talkers, and follow the doers.

Brian Driggs
Brian Driggs

@Jeff, recall that Hemingway said, "You lose if you talk about it." Funny that, right? I love the metaphor of high school sex. It's like that girl in "American Beauty," who acted the overt sexpot, only to reveal herself a timid virgin in the end. This is quite the morning. I read TBB's post, get all psyched, land here (the very next item in the reader - my "dailies" group), OMG. MOAR TBB. This is a good reminder. Less talk about DSC. More talk about applied DSC to benefit people, process, planet.

Tinu
Tinu

Seems like the conversation we're having is comparing Apples to Buicks. Neither point is invalid because neither point is really having the conversation around the area that's the actual problem, if I'm to take this response at face value.

Had I thought we were having a conversation about whether there weren't enough many social media gurus, experts and worshipers of color in social media Conferences or merely in the Spotlight, it would have been pointless to have in the first place. If that's the conversation we're having, you're both right - there's not enough of a mix, but yes, people of color and gender are represented, just not where we're looking.

BUT.

Who gets the big dollars to speak, and the attention vs who is out there doing is so very far from the point.

And yeah, I see people from Charline Li to Brent Leary to a whole lot of lesser known people who actually DO things rather than talk or write about them.

But that isn't the issue.

For me - and for the people talking about this that I actually agree with - is that

1- the voices aren't proportional to what you'd expect if you looked at the US population in Technology in General,

2 and then 2- we're especially absent on the level of innovation and creation of tools. Our Zuckerberg's aren't getting equal attention. The man who created the most viable lithium air battery for instance, has been working on it for years, despite the announcement that some other company recently declared themselves the innovator, and is so far getting away with it.

Anyway, I never thought the question of "where are the diverse voices?" a rhetorical one or even from running out of problems. From the voices I listen to, it was a sincere request as in - if these voices exist would someone send me a list. Or, are we being inclusive, and if not, where do we start?

And I recognize that that our lack of visibility (or the proportion of our presence as the owners and execs of companies that make things in tech) may be for all sorts of reasons - socioeconomic, cultural, etc. And in my own cultural community, I don't believe we're blameless (though that's a whole other response.)

But that's not the point either. As Lucretia far more elegantly put it, if diversity weren't an issue, no one would be writing about it. Wayne said essentially the same thing and he didn't get blasted.

So. Well written and entertaining, Olivier. But I completely disagree.

Tinu
Tinu

Seems like the conversation we're having is comparing Apples to Buicks. Neither point is invalid because neither point is really having the conversation around the area that's the actual problem, if I'm to take this response at face value.

Had I thought we were having a conversation about whether there weren't enough many social media gurus, experts and worshipers of color in social media Conferences or merely in the Spotlight, it would have been pointless to have in the first place. If that's the conversation we're having, you're both right - there's not enough of a mix, but yes, people of color and gender are represented, just not where we're looking.

BUT.

Who gets the big dollars to speak, and the attention vs who is out there doing is so very far from the point.

And yeah, I see people from Charline Li to Brent Leary to a whole lot of lesser known people who actually DO things rather than talk or write about them.

But that isn't the issue.

For me - and for the people talking about this that I actually agree with - is that

1- the voices aren't proportional to what you'd expect if you looked at the US population in Technology in General,

2 and then 2- we're especially absent on the level of innovation and creation of tools. Our Zuckerberg's aren't getting equal attention. The man who created the most viable lithium air battery for instance, has been working on it for years, despite the announcement that some other company recently declared themselves the innovator, and is so far getting away with it.

Anyway, I never thought the question of "where are the diverse voices?" a rhetorical one or even from running out of problems. From the voices I listen to, it was a sincere request as in - if these voices exist would someone send me a list. Or, are we being inclusive, and if not, where do we start?

And I recognize that that our lack of visibility (or the proportion of our presence as the owners and execs of companies that make things in tech) may be for all sorts of reasons - socioeconomic, cultural, etc. And in my own cultural community, I don't believe we're blameless (though that's a whole other response.)

But that's not the point either. As Lucretia far more elegantly put it, if diversity weren't an issue, no one would be writing about it. Wayne said essentially the same thing and he didn't get blasted.

So. Well written and entertaining, Olivier. But I completely disagree.

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Fair enough. Though your bit about Apples and Buick is at the heart of our (minor) disagreement: There is no shortage of brilliant people of all races working in social media. The same isn't true of tech jobs in general: People building apps, managing tech startups, etc. This is true.

But I also want to caution against turning this into a purely black/white issue. I run into a ton of Chinese, Japanese, Indian, middle-eastern, etc. folks in the biz. Perhaps it is because I don't just work in the US. My ecosystem though is VERY diverse.

Cheers. :)

Tinu
Tinu

Seems like the conversation we're having is comparing Apples to Buicks. Neither point is invalid because neither point is really having the conversation around the area that's the actual problem, if I'm to take this response at face value. Had I thought we were having a conversation about whether there weren't enough many social media gurus, experts and worshipers of color in social media Conferences or merely in the Spotlight, it would have been pointless to have in the first place. If that's the conversation we're having, you're both right - there's not enough of a mix, but yes, people of color and gender are represented, just not where we're looking. BUT. Who gets the big dollars to speak, and the attention vs who is out there doing is so very far from the point. And yeah, I see people from Charline Li to Brent Leary to a whole lot of lesser known people who actually DO things rather than talk or write about them. But that isn't the issue. For me - and for the people talking about this that I actually agree with - is that 1- the voices aren't proportional to what you'd expect if you looked at the US population in Technology in General, 2 and then 2- we're especially absent on the level of innovation and creation of tools. Our Zuckerberg's aren't getting equal attention. The man who created the most viable lithium air battery for instance, has been working on it for years, despite the announcement that some other company recently declared themselves the innovator, and is so far getting away with it. Anyway, I never thought the question of "where are the diverse voices?" a rhetorical one or even from running out of problems. From the voices I listen to, it was a sincere request as in - if these voices exist would someone send me a list. Or, are we being inclusive, and if not, where do we start? And I recognize that that our lack of visibility (or the proportion of our presence as the owners and execs of companies that make things in tech) may be for all sorts of reasons - socioeconomic, cultural, etc. And in my own cultural community, I don't believe we're blameless (though that's a whole other response.) But that's not the point either. As Lucretia far more elegantly put it, if diversity weren't an issue, no one would be writing about it. Wayne said essentially the same thing and he didn't get blasted. So. Well written and entertaining, Olivier. But I completely disagree.

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Fair enough. Though your bit about Apples and Buick is at the heart of our (minor) disagreement: There is no shortage of brilliant people of all races working in social media. The same isn't true of tech jobs in general: People building apps, managing tech startups, etc. This is true. But I also want to caution against turning this into a purely black/white issue. I run into a ton of Chinese, Japanese, Indian, middle-eastern, etc. folks in the biz. Perhaps it is because I don't just work in the US. My ecosystem though is VERY diverse. Cheers. :)

Howie at Sky Pulse Media
Howie at Sky Pulse Media

Who is Seth Godin?

I love this post Olivier. There is this theme recently where often I respond by saying the Social Media Talking heads are clueless about how the average person uses Social Media. Never mind the fact that we actually use it A LOT LESS than is hyped (specifically Facebook).

Those folks are good at showing people how to become personal brands, but they do not know how to teach brands to sell, reach consumers, or market successfully in my opinion. And when someone touts an exception to the rule I always laugh and think how gullible everyone is.

Which is why Mashable banned me from their commenting system

Howie at Sky Pulse Media
Howie at Sky Pulse Media

Who is Seth Godin? I love this post Olivier. There is this theme recently where often I respond by saying the Social Media Talking heads are clueless about how the average person uses Social Media. Never mind the fact that we actually use it A LOT LESS than is hyped (specifically Facebook). Those folks are good at showing people how to become personal brands, but they do not know how to teach brands to sell, reach consumers, or market successfully in my opinion. And when someone touts an exception to the rule I always laugh and think how gullible everyone is. Which is why Mashable banned me from their commenting system

Liz Scherer
Liz Scherer

Interesting thing about fishbowls. They're self-contained and get a bit confining after a short period of time. And the thick glass that holds the water in makes it difficult to see outwards.

Everybody wants to be a rockstar. Except those who are already rocking our world and are too busy working their asses off to gaze in the mirror (or navel) too long.

But here's the deal. How does one call bullshit on the arrogance without letting go some of one's own? We've all got egos; it's what makes us humans. Perhaps a bit more humility and a bit less guru/arrogant bullshit will make the gazers and even some of us who are calling the pot, look beyond their/our own noses.

Liz Scherer
Liz Scherer

Interesting thing about fishbowls. They're self-contained and get a bit confining after a short period of time. And the thick glass that holds the water in makes it difficult to see outwards.

Everybody wants to be a rockstar. Except those who are already rocking our world and are too busy working their asses off to gaze in the mirror (or navel) too long.

But here's the deal. How does one call bullshit on the arrogance without letting go some of one's own? We've all got egos; it's what makes us humans. Perhaps a bit more humility and a bit less guru/arrogant bullshit will make the gazers and even some of us who are calling the pot, look beyond their/our own noses.

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Wait... Everyone wants to be a rock star? Do you really believe that?

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

I may be an arrogant bastard, but I do know that if I notice that I only ever work with white dudes, that the problem isn't with a lack of diversity in social media. It's a problem of diversity in my own little world.

Worse yet, if I ever get to a point where I don't even notice the "minority" thought leaders in my own industry anymore, someone please call a doctor.

Liz Scherer
Liz Scherer

Interesting thing about fishbowls. They're self-contained and get a bit confining after a short period of time. And the thick glass that holds the water in makes it difficult to see outwards. Everybody wants to be a rockstar. Except those who are already rocking our world and are too busy working their asses off to gaze in the mirror (or navel) too long. But here's the deal. How does one call bullshit on the arrogance without letting go some of one's own? We've all got egos; it's what makes us humans. Perhaps a bit more humility and a bit less guru/arrogant bullshit will make the gazers and even some of us who are calling the pot, look beyond their/our own noses.

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Wait... Everyone wants to be a rock star? Do you really believe that?

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

I may be an arrogant bastard, but I do know that if I notice that I only ever work with white dudes, that the problem isn't with a lack of diversity in social media. It's a problem of diversity in my own little world. Worse yet, if I ever get to a point where I don't even notice the "minority" thought leaders in my own industry anymore, someone please call a doctor.

Billy Delaney
Billy Delaney

I don't know these people, and they don't know me!
I come here because it is a sort of touch point for relevance online; and often points to it offline.
I'm also 56 this year and I don't have a demarcation for who I speak too or who can speak to me online or offline.
I guess there is some sort of problem that exists online that already exists offline.
What's new with that?
Thanks for putting this up. If I see an 'asshat' I tell him to give you a comment or not?
Billy

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Thanks, man. You're spot on with that observation. It isn't an online thing at all. I speak to groups all the time. I work with companies all around the world. And you know what? I am surrounded (online and offline) by every color and creed. Whites, blacks, yellows, browns... Swedes, Koreans, Belgians, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Peruvians, Canadians, Egyptians, South Africans, Mexicans, French, and on and on and on.

I guess if someone looks up one day and realizes that he only ever speaks to or works with white dudes, the problem isn't with the makeup of social media. The problem is with the fact that he/she has built a business that only appeals to white dudes. So he/she can either embrace it or change something. Projecting one's own limitations on an entire industry is pretty weak.

There is no diversity problem in social media. It's just that some people haven't opened themselves to diversity, for some reason.

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Thanks, man. You're spot on with that observation. It isn't an online thing at all. I speak to groups all the time. I work with companies all around the world. And you know what? I am surrounded (online and offline) by every color and creed. Whites, blacks, yellows, browns... Swedes, Koreans, Belgians, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Peruvians, Canadians, Egyptians, South Africans, Mexicans, French, and on and on and on.

I guess if someone looks up one day and realizes that he only ever speaks to or works with white dudes, the problem isn't with the makeup of social media. The problem is with the fact that he/she has built a business that only appeals to white dudes. So he/she can either embrace it or change something. Projecting one's own limitations on an entire industry is pretty weak.

There is no diversity problem in social media. It's just that some people haven't opened themselves to diversity, for some reason.

Billy Delaney
Billy Delaney

I don't know these people, and they don't know me! I come here because it is a sort of touch point for relevance online; and often points to it offline. I'm also 56 this year and I don't have a demarcation for who I speak too or who can speak to me online or offline. I guess there is some sort of problem that exists online that already exists offline. What's new with that? Thanks for putting this up. If I see an 'asshat' I tell him to give you a comment or not? Billy

Olivier Blanchard
Olivier Blanchard

Thanks, man. You're spot on with that observation. It isn't an online thing at all. I speak to groups all the time. I work with companies all around the world. And you know what? I am surrounded (online and offline) by every color and creed. Whites, blacks, yellows, browns... Swedes, Koreans, Belgians, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Peruvians, Canadians, Egyptians, South Africans, Mexicans, French, and on and on and on. I guess if someone looks up one day and realizes that he only ever speaks to or works with white dudes, the problem isn't with the makeup of social media. The problem is with the fact that he/she has built a business that only appeals to white dudes. So he/she can either embrace it or change something. Projecting one's own limitations on an entire industry is pretty weak. There is no diversity problem in social media. It's just that some people haven't opened themselves to diversity, for some reason.

Noland Hoshino (
Noland Hoshino (

A-to-the-freakin-men! There is so much talent and knowledge in the social space that I never understood why people put "gurus" above themselves. We are here to learn, connect, communicate -- not, worship, idolize and drool over.

It is our responsibility who "get it" social media to teach and educate the newbies the value of social connections and welcome them with open arms. If not, "we" in social media will talk amongst ourselves and eventually get bored with each other (I'm almost there).

Same goes for those "experts" who continue to speak with their megaphone when there are others in line waiting for their chance to say something. Those up-and-coming talents are the ones I'm most interested in and then to follow because they are thirsty for knowledge and passion fuels their motivation.

Thanks Olivier for keeping it real.

Thanks Danny for taking a chance.

Noland Hoshino (@NolandHoshino)
Noland Hoshino (@NolandHoshino)

A-to-the-freakin-men! There is so much talent and knowledge in the social space that I never understood why people put "gurus" above themselves. We are here to learn, connect, communicate -- not, worship, idolize and drool over.

It is our responsibility who "get it" social media to teach and educate the newbies the value of social connections and welcome them with open arms. If not, "we" in social media will talk amongst ourselves and eventually get bored with each other (I'm almost there).

Same goes for those "experts" who continue to speak with their megaphone when there are others in line waiting for their chance to say something. Those up-and-coming talents are the ones I'm most interested in and then to follow because they are thirsty for knowledge and passion fuels their motivation.

Thanks Olivier for keeping it real.

Thanks Danny for taking a chance.

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