Advisory: Google Begins Booting Brands

579 Shares 579 Shares ×

Google Plus

by Danny Brown and Geoff Livingston

Much has been said about marketing on Google+. Both of us have been intentionally conservative about marketing on the new network due to a statement from Google+ specifically asking business and brands to wait until it formalized its business offering. This offering is rumored to include an open API for applications and data usage. Yesterday, a confirmed report from KCET-TV in LA surfaced that Google+ community managers are enforcing the brand “no fly zone.”

To date, ABC News Radio, LAUNCH and Boing Boing have all been removed, or have voluntarily taken down their Google+ profiles. In the face of complaints about brands being unceremoniously dispatched, community managers have indicated that Google+ will focus on optimizing community interaction between people first.

Google Plus business info

Both Bonsai Interactive and Zoetica represent real brands, corporate and nonprofit. We are posting this advisory to provide clear guidance for our clients and network on how to approach Google+ during this interim phase:

1) Do not invest in formal brand marketing on Google+. As we have seen, Google+ is now policing its network and you risk losing your entire time investment. Further, until the business offering is created by Google, no one really knows how corporations and nonprofits can successfully navigate this new social network. In essence, until Google+ for business is released efforts are likely to be all for naught

2) Do experiment on Google+ and learn how the network works using your personal profile. It’s too soon to formally say that Google+ will be a significant consumer network, but with reports of 18 million followers and growing, momentum indicates the network is succeeding. Further, as demonstrated by its policing of the network, Google is clearly focused on community first. Becoming knowledgable through participation on Google+ is prudent at this point.

3) Be wary of marketing services firms and individuals who are seeking paid fees for Google+ marketing insights. Again, per the first point, no one really knows how to market on Google+. Investing financially in Google+ is not a good use of resources until finite offerings are available. Ethically speaking we would not charge our clients for advice and strategies in the face of such uncertainty.

Google+ is starting field trials with brands in the immediate future. As Google works through the kinks and formalizes its offering, it is a great time to become comfortable with the social network.

Many of our fellow bloggers are openly sharing their insights and learning together in a fashion we have not seen in years. Enjoy this time, friends. This kind of new social network launch is unprecedented.

Update 21 July 2011 11.41am: NBC News is the latest to remove their Google+ profile.

image: Sean MacEntee
image: KCET-TV 

Join over 11,000 smart subscribers

Get my latest updates delivered straight to your Inbox as soon as they're published (I respect your privacy and will never spam you)

579 Shares Twitter 271 Facebook 77 Google+ 75 Buffer 0 Buffer LinkedIn 101 Email -- Email to a friend 579 Shares ×
About Danny

Danny Brown is Chief Technologist at ArCompany and an award-winning marketer and blogger. His blog is recognized as the #1 marketing blog in the world by HubSpot. Danny is also co-author of Influence Marketing: How to Create, Manage and Measure Brand Influencers in Social Media Marketing.

113 comments
bwh48
bwh48

I would image that there are a lot of business owers very desperate to try and get some success out of Google, especially considering the state of the economy. I really think that Google is doing the right thing and saying to business owners to "hold their horses" for a bit until they get a real handle on what is needed. For once i applaude Google for doing the right thing.

bwh48
bwh48

I would image that there are a lot of business owers very desperate to try and get some success out of Google, especially considering the state of the economy. I really think that Google is doing the right thing and saying to business owners to "hold their horses" for a bit until they get a real handle on what is needed. For once i applaude Google for doing the right thing.

KRLRose
KRLRose

I like the way Google have focused on the community first. Also makes a lot of sense to build the momentum first. When I set up a personal account my initial thought was I don't like the user interface I think that was more of reaction because I don't use FB ,. (I know stone me now :) and I like the constraints and brevity of Twitter. But from a business point of view I knew to an extent FB is an important platform that could not really be ignored. So I am happy Google + has come along. that gives me a new shiny option :)

I like Google's business philosophy and the way they innovate. I really think this is a great product and with the data Google has available to them to create new features and benefits for personal and business users. I only see this product getting better and better and gaining more market share.

Grit08
Grit08

I like the way Google have focused on the community first. Also makes a lot of sense to build the momentum first. When I set up a personal account my initial thought was I don't like the user interface I think that was more of reaction because I don't use FB ,. (I know stone me now :) and I like the constraints and brevity of Twitter. But from a business point of view I knew to an extent FB is an important platform that could not really be ignored. So I am happy Google + has come along. that gives me a new shiny option :) I like Google's business philosophy and the way they innovate. I really think this is a great product and with the data Google has available to them to create new features and benefits for personal and business users. I only see this product getting better and better and gaining more market share.

3HatsComm
3HatsComm

@DannyBrown @ginidietrich It's ok, Gini is so many points ahead of me, I figure I'll just sit back and enjoy.

ginidietrich
ginidietrich like.author.displayName 1 Like

Yes, I am trying to fill out the entire "recent comments" box. Two more comments and I have it! :)

Well, you know my stance on this. I spoke three times this week and, in every audience, someone asked about G+ and what they should know. We talked through some of the things they should be considering, but I also threw caution to the wind that the tool is a month old, we don't know how/if it's going to affect brands, and that businesses aren't allowed. I think that's the best advice any of us can give right now.

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@ginidietrich What the hell - are you comment bombing? I think Davina of @3hatscomm will have something to say about this...

ginidietrich
ginidietrich

Yes, I am trying to fill out the entire "recent comments" box. Two more comments and I have it! :) Well, you know my stance on this. I spoke three times this week and, in every audience, someone asked about G+ and what they should know. We talked through some of the things they should be considering, but I also threw caution to the wind that the tool is a month old, we don't know how/if it's going to affect brands, and that businesses aren't allowed. I think that's the best advice any of us can give right now. My latest conversation: http://www.spinsucks.com/social-media/gin-and-topics-creepy-old-guys-and-memories/

Danny Brown
Danny Brown

That's the difference, Sue - using it as a representative versus an actual company selling goods. And there's a load of questionable advice on the difference, hence the reason Google stepping in.

Danny Brown
Danny Brown

That's the difference, Sue - using it as a representative versus an actual company selling goods. And there's a load of questionable advice on the difference, hence the reason Google stepping in.

HowieSPM
HowieSPM

@DannyBrown @Ari Herzog Just think Google already has Maps/GPS, Search,Shopping (seriously a margin killer for brands online that I can compare offerings from around the country and buy lowest price so easily), Voice Recognition Software is pretty sweet, Docs, Photo Storage, Cloud services, Blogging, Android (assuming the new patent issues with Apple have it survive) which means mobile data, Digital Ad Serving (AdMob is getting higher profile paid ads now like Buick vs ones that tell me I can save battery life...still not clicking though), email, Voice/Talk w/ Video, an APP store, now Social. They have so much in place with much higher usage than anything Facebook has achieved. G+ I am not sure has to cross pollinate as much as Google show us that we should go all in with Google and for every 'need' drop Google in the box. My view of cross pollinating is just have everything work seamlessly together. I have brought up before the fact I might go to Best Buy for a Big Screen TV...pull up the model number on Google Shopping tell the manager I can save $400 on Amazon and will buy it right now...but I like Best Buy will you match or come close on the price....will be interesting this new world.

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@Ari Herzog I think it's more the potential as opposed to the solution at the minute. Like you say, it'll have to be secure like nobody's business, but the possibilities it could offer make it worth watching. My latest conversation: http://bestbloggingtipsonline.com/the-series/

Susan Murphy
Susan Murphy

Not sure I understand. I'm making all sorts of business connections in G+. I do not have (or need) a business profile at this point to do that.It's still working for my business in terms of networking opportunities, even though I'm not in there representing my brand per se. Not sure I agree with the "strictly personal" approach. But to each their own! That's the cool thing about new tools, we each get an opportunity to explore the value for us.

Susan Murphy
Susan Murphy

Not sure I understand. I'm making all sorts of business connections in G+. I do not have (or need) a business profile at this point to do that.It's still working for my business in terms of networking opportunities, even though I'm not in there representing my brand per se. Not sure I agree with the "strictly personal" approach. But to each their own! That's the cool thing about new tools, we each get an opportunity to explore the value for us.

Ari Herzog
Ari Herzog

@DannyBrown You really like Google Wallet, eh? I'm too paranoid; I'd rather be in control of my plastic and not give it to a phone. It would have to be 256-bit encryption or such. My latest conversation: http://ariherzog.com/about-ari/

Ari Herzog
Ari Herzog

@DannyBrown @HowieSPM Keep in mind the past month is just the beginning. I've said it before and I'll say it again: When Emerald Sea was launched as Google+ that was the first of ~100 product launches planned over the next year. With each new update, some are based on your feedback and others are based on a planned timetable. Who knows what's on that timetable but it's fair to presume G+ will be cross-pollinated across their other products, Latitude and Wallet included. And, with the buyout of Fridge -- http://vator.tv/news/2011-07-21-google-fridge-to-bring-nuance-richness-to-circles -- I imagine much more goodness. My latest conversation: http://ariherzog.com/about-ari/

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@marianne.worley Wait a minute - you said jason falls did a *free* webinar? Shouldn't he have charged $47 or something..? ;-) That's the thing, miss - there's no harm in preparing, just don't jump the gun and possibly get yourself in trouble before you've even started. My latest conversation: http://bestbloggingtipsonline.com/the-series/

marianne.worley
marianne.worley like.author.displayName 1 Like

Jason Falls did a (free) webinar today on "Google+ for Business and More." He gave us a "tour" of G+ and demonstrated how to use key functions. He focused on the simple things marketers could do now to prepare for the imminent arrival of business profiles on G+. (Things like optimizing your profile for search and creating circles that will help you send targeted communications to different customer groups.) I think I learned more in that hour than I did in the time I've been using G+!

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@marianne.worley Wait a minute - you said @jason falls did a *free* webinar? Shouldn't he have charged $47 or something..? ;-)

That's the thing, miss - there's no harm in preparing, just don't jump the gun and possibly get yourself in trouble before you've even started.

Latest blog post: The Series

marianne.worley
marianne.worley

Jason Falls did a (free) webinar today on "Google+ for Business and More." He gave us a "tour" of G+ and demonstrated how to use key functions. He focused on the simple things marketers could do now to prepare for the imminent arrival of business profiles on G+. (Things like optimizing your profile for search and creating circles that will help you send targeted communications to different customer groups.) I think I learned more in that hour than I did in the time I've been using G+!

KimDavies
KimDavies

@DannyBrown And, we all love to have fun! :D

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@KimDavies Agreed, Kim. We've started helping clients plan potential scenarios - but that's all they are for now, just potentials. When the details are released, though, should be fun! :) My latest conversation: http://bestbloggingtipsonline.com/the-series/

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@AreMorch "Social Media Fools" - haha, love it mate, may have to get that for some social media folks I know. ;-) It's so true, though - only Google really knows what it's going to do for business, and until then, we can guess, but that's all it'll be. Anything else is just a potential waste of time. Cheers, sir! My latest conversation: http://bestbloggingtipsonline.com/the-series/

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@nateriggs Hey there mate, Exactly. And this is why I feel Google are in an awesome position to take over from Facebook as the de facto social / business network. Next 12 months should be interesting, for sure. My latest conversation: http://bestbloggingtipsonline.com/the-series/

jennalanger
jennalanger

@DannyBrown @HowieSPM Uh oh, not sure about the rules with Aliens and Livefyre...I think we'll take all, as long as you include SOME insight in your comments :) And for my real comment: Brands should be watching how people are interacting using Google+ before jumping in. People took Twitter and did what they wanted with it, and now brands have figured out how to join the party. Let's see how PEOPLE interact before jumping in with the branded accounts. My latest conversation: http://www.jennalanger.com/2008/12/instant-messaging-text-messaging-overview/

Clay Morgan
Clay Morgan

Thanks for the head's up and good info.

Clay Morgan
Clay Morgan

Thanks for the head's up and good info.

factotum llc.
factotum llc.

It's been nice to see that Google seems to be enforcing the rules across the board. Even Mashable hasn't escaped the company's notice. - Erin

factotum llc.
factotum llc.

It's been nice to see that Google seems to be enforcing the rules across the board. Even Mashable hasn't escaped the company's notice. - Erin

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@HowieSPM Exactly. Speaking from a business owner angle, I'd like to see Google really cross-pollinate all their offerings, so my customers can benefit no matter what they're on. Can Latitude be used with Maps, for example, and show the Deals of the Day alerts to a restaurant if I'm in their neighbourhood? And if so, can I use Google Wallet to book a table, and then a Menu App to confirm my choice, and Google Calendar to book my slot? These are the kind of things I want to see. Here's hoping. My latest conversation: http://dannybrown.me/2010/12/24/social-media-christmas/

HowieSPM
HowieSPM

@DannyBrown If I was Google I would pick my best friends since they do have many and let them do a private beta to figure this out. Brand pages on Facebook have been a massive failure (Facebook wants this btw) They need to figure out what a page should be used for. As with all networks as we add more and more points of contact seeing each post from one get's less and less likely. Which is why traditional marketing where we target people on TV, Radio, Digital, Print/Media, Email, Out of Home will never be replaced. We only have time to see so much an dread so much and brand messages often come last in priority. So Google needs to find a true value for a Brand page that we will want them and Brands will feel like they work. I am having a hard time grasping this. Right now on G+ I saw a post on Marshall McLuhan via my phone app. I wanted to read it at home on the big screen. I had to go to my circles. Find that person. And then check their stream to find the post. I had +ed it on my phone. But there was no way to find it. There was no search function. So obviously Google has not gotten the people to people platform down yet. How will a Brand page succeed then?

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@HowieSPM Pete Cashmore posted an update yesterday that the Mashable page would be down until the business ones rolled out. Nice move. Now if only Ford were made to play by the same rules. I understand that business pages need testing, but can't they do that in a closed, private beat environment? Sends out a mixed message otherwise. My latest conversation: http://dannybrown.me/2010/12/24/social-media-christmas/

Howie Goldfarb
Howie Goldfarb

BTW Ford had a profile going and there were people who reminded me of the 2nd grade classmate who tattled on you for passing notes in class. There were posts saying 'You are going to get into trouble Ford'

I was like 'really?'

BTW has Mashable taken down their page?

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@HowieG

Pete Cashmore posted an update yesterday that the Mashable page would be down until the business ones rolled out. Nice move. Now if only Ford were made to play by the same rules. I understand that business pages need testing, but can't they do that in a closed, private beat environment?

Sends out a mixed message otherwise.

Howie Goldfarb
Howie Goldfarb like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Danny Brown If I was Google I would pick my best friends since they do have many and let them do a private beta to figure this out. Brand pages on Facebook have been a massive failure (Facebook wants this btw)

They need to figure out what a page should be used for. As with all networks as we add more and more points of contact seeing each post from one get's less and less likely. Which is why traditional marketing where we target people on TV, Radio, Digital, Print/Media, Email, Out of Home will never be replaced. We only have time to see so much an dread so much and brand messages often come last in priority. So Google needs to find a true value for a Brand page that we will want them and Brands will feel like they work. I am having a hard time grasping this.

Right now on G+ I saw a post on Marshall McLuhan via my phone app. I wanted to read it at home on the big screen. I had to go to my circles. Find that person. And then check their stream to find the post. I had +ed it on my phone. But there was no way to find it. There was no search function. So obviously Google has not gotten the people to people platform down yet. How will a Brand page succeed then?

Howie Goldfarb
Howie Goldfarb like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Danny Brown @Ari Herzog Just think Google already has Maps/GPS, Search,Shopping (seriously a margin killer for brands online that I can compare offerings from around the country and buy lowest price so easily), Voice Recognition Software is pretty sweet, Docs, Photo Storage, Cloud services, Blogging, Android (assuming the new patent issues with Apple have it survive) which means mobile data, Digital Ad Serving (AdMob is getting higher profile paid ads now like Buick vs ones that tell me I can save battery life...still not clicking though), email, Voice/Talk w/ Video, an APP store, now Social. They have so much in place with much higher usage than anything Facebook has achieved. G+ I am not sure has to cross pollinate as much as Google show us that we should go all in with Google and for every 'need' drop Google in the box. My view of cross pollinating is just have everything work seamlessly together.

I have brought up before the fact I might go to Best Buy for a Big Screen TV...pull up the model number on Google Shopping tell the manager I can save $400 on Amazon and will buy it right now...but I like Best Buy will you match or come close on the price....will be interesting this new world.

Ari Herzog
Ari Herzog like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@Danny Brown @HowieG Keep in mind the past month is just the beginning. I've said it before and I'll say it again: When Emerald Sea was launched as Google+ that was the first of ~100 product launches planned over the next year. With each new update, some are based on your feedback and others are based on a planned timetable.

Who knows what's on that timetable but it's fair to presume G+ will be cross-pollinated across their other products, Latitude and Wallet included. And, with the buyout of Fridge -- http://vator.tv/news/2011-07-21-google-fridge-to-bring-nuance-richness-to-circles -- I imagine much more goodness.

Latest blog post: Livefyre Conversation

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator like.author.displayName 1 Like

@HowieG

Exactly. Speaking from a business owner angle, I'd like to see Google really cross-pollinate all their offerings, so my customers can benefit no matter what they're on.

Can Latitude be used with Maps, for example, and show the Deals of the Day alerts to a restaurant if I'm in their neighbourhood? And if so, can I use Google Wallet to book a table, and then a Menu App to confirm my choice, and Google Calendar to book my slot?

These are the kind of things I want to see. Here's hoping.

HowieSPM
HowieSPM

BTW Ford had a profile going and there were people who reminded me of the 2nd grade classmate who tattled on you for passing notes in class. There were posts saying 'You are going to get into trouble Ford' I was like 'really?' BTW has Mashable taken down their page?

HowieSPM
HowieSPM

I don't think I can comment here since I can not find a box asking if I am an Alien. Can @jennalanger fix this? This is obviously timely based on the last 5-8 days of uproar on many blogs about industry ethics and preying on the clueless. Very well said.

Howie Goldfarb
Howie Goldfarb

I don't think I can comment here since I can not find a box asking if I am an Alien. Can @jennalanger fix this?

This is obviously timely based on the last 5-8 days of uproar on many blogs about industry ethics and preying on the clueless. Very well said.

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator like.author.displayName 1 Like

@HowieG @jennalanger

I think the Alien box should only make an appearance, should your avatar be green. :)

jennalanger
jennalanger moderator like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Danny Brown @HowieG Uh oh, not sure about the rules with Aliens and Livefyre...I think we'll take all, as long as you include SOME insight in your comments :) And for my real comment:

Brands should be watching how people are interacting using Google+ before jumping in. People took Twitter and did what they wanted with it, and now brands have figured out how to join the party. Let's see how PEOPLE interact before jumping in with the branded accounts.

Trackbacks

  1. Quora says:

    I already use Facebook and even Twitter. Why do I need Google+?…

    Just a temporary note of caution about brands on twitter appeared in my G+ stream this morning. Google boots brands from G+ http://dannybrown.me/2011/07/21/advisory-google-begins-booting-brands/

  2. [...] Story Via: Danny Brown [...]

  3. [...] Advisory: Google Begins Booting Brands originally appeared on Danny Brown | Social Media Marketing Blog – The Human Side of Media and the Social Side of Marketing under a Creative Commons license. [...]

  4. [...] Advisory: Google Begins Booting Brands originally appeared on Danny Brown | Social Media Marketing Blog – The Human Side of Media and the Social Side of Marketing under a Creative Commons license. [...]

  5. [...] Google+ Begins Booting Brands. Geoff Livingston and Danny Brown co-wrote this blog post about a swift and severe action Google took late on Wednesday night. They [...]

  6. [...] Google+ Begins Booting Brands. Geoff Livingston and Danny Brown co-wrote this blog post about a swift and severe action Google took late on Wednesday night. They [...]

  7. [...] From a blog post by Danny Brown and Geoff Livingston: To date, ABC News Radio, LAUNCH, and Boing Boing have all been removed, or have voluntarily taken down their Google+ profiles. In the face of complaints about brands being unceremoniously dispatched, community managers have indicated that Google+ will focus on optimizing community interaction between people first. [...]

  8. [...] that set up branded profiles via personal accounts until then. Per the advisory, published here and on Danny Brown’s blog, businesses should experiment informally. AKPC_IDS += "3709,";Popularity: unranked [...]

  9. [...] Advisory: Google Begins Booting Brands from Google+ As Google+ becomes more popular – 18 million users and counting – Google enforces the no brands policy. This post offers advice for businesses. Source: dannybrown.me [...]

  10. [...] thereafter, I was playing on Google+ and I got invited to a hang-out with Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. I hadn’t even circled [...]

  11. [...] while Google+ may represent a number of things tactically, the business strategy behind it is, in my view, directly correlated to their core business – [...]

  12. [...] hold off from creating profiles right now. In fact, they are so adamant about this that they have kicked off businesses who created brand profiles on the [...]

  13. [...] hold off from creating profiles right now. In fact, they are so adamant about this that they have kicked off businesses who created brand profiles on the [...]

  14. [...] Nonprofit organizations seeking to activate Google+ networks are limited to individual profiles, as formal business pages have yet to launch. [...]

  15. [...] my focus. While topics like Google+ are well within the purview of bloggers like Gini Dietrich and Danny Brown, they have little to do with small business, franchising or customer [...]

  16. [...] for a few test accounts, brands/companies are still not allowed to have their own profiles on Google+ (these are expected later this year). Once they are [...]

  17. [...] #split {}#single {}#splitalign {margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;}#singlealign {margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;}#splittitlebox {text-align: center;}#singletitlebox {text-align: center;}.linkboxtext {line-height: 1.4em;}.linkboxcontainer {padding: 7px 7px 7px 7px;background-color:#eeeeee;border-color:#000000;border-width:0px; border-style:solid;}.linkboxdisplay {padding: 7px 7px 7px 7px;}.linkboxdisplay td {text-align: center;}.linkboxdisplay a:link {text-decoration: none;}.linkboxdisplay a:hover {text-decoration: underline;} function opensingledropdown() { document.getElementById('singletablelinks').style.display = ''; document.getElementById('singlemouse').style.display = 'none'; } function closesingledropdown() { document.getElementById('singletablelinks').style.display = 'none'; document.getElementById('singlemouse').style.display = ''; } Approaching Social Media StrategicallySocial Media Headquarters {Social Media Case Study: Winning Content with Data}Ragu, Dads, and Lessons Learned for Communicators and Bloggers – Media BullseyeNatan Sharansky Sits With Masa Israel Interns; Tweets EnsueAdvisory: Google Begins Booting Brands from Google+ [...]


579 Shares Twitter 271 Facebook 77 Google+ 75 Buffer 0 Buffer LinkedIn 101 Email -- Email to a friend 579 Shares ×