Daily deals

When daily deal sites like Living Social and Groupon came to the market, many observers looked at it as another nail in the coffin for offline retailing.

By bringing huge discounts to consumers via their local business partners, Groupon and others like them would show business a new way to make more money, while bringing more customers to them.

Except it’s not quite worked out that way yet.

Short Term Gain, Long Tail Miss

The problem with daily deals sites – and, to be fair, any of the stack-em-high-sell-em-cheap options that many businesses look at – is that they’re not really set up for long-term loyalty. And that’s a key reason why so many businesses fail in general, and something that many daily deal partners are complaining about.

Sure, they’ll give customers a nice discount and a reason to come to your store or business in the first place. But where’s the incentive to come back if I’m a new customer, once I’ve taken advantage of your sale product?

Unless there’s a relationship sale versus a transactional one, if I don’t normally shop with you then I have no real reason to come back unless it’s for another daily deal. Which sees you lowering your profit margin to make the offer in the first place – not ideal.

Business and Consumer Apathy

It would appear that more folks from both sides of the fence are beginning to think like that, too. According to a new survey from Cooper Murphy in the U.K., a whopping 82% of businesses surveyed that have run campaigns on Groupon were unsatisfied with the amount of repeat business it brought.

Groupon repeat business complaints

Add these figures to a study by Rice University in May of this year, that reported just over 20% of daily deals customers become repeat customers, and you can see why the daily deals market is one that seems to divide opinion on its benefits.

It’s not just the business owners that are suffering. Because one of the major premises of daily deals is to attract the low-spend customer, restaurant and bar staff have found that customers using a daily deal offer will usually tip less than those paying full price. Ironically, the less you have to pay, the less the tip should be too, it would seem.

So what’s the answer?

Loyalty and Long Term Gain

Everyone likes a bargain. I do; you probably do; I know my wife does. It’s human nature – if we can pay less, we will (although paying more for extra quality isn’t a bad thing).

The problem with constant bargains is that customers get into the mindset that they’ll only wait for these bargains, and ignore you the rest of the time. Get ignored by customers and… well, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know the outcome of that scenario.

So while the short-term benefit is clear, businesses need to be building long-term benefits for the customers, to encourage return visits and loyalty.

  • Episodic discounts. Say a daily deal saves you 60% on the transaction. Instead of the one-off approach, offer three transactions saving 20% each time. On subsequent visits or purchases, have an amazing add-on deal that encourages further spend on top of the discount.
  • Split the location. If you’re an offline business, with multiple locations, why not split the offer between different locations on different days? A sports shop could offer different goods on different days of the week at different stores; a restaurant a different appetizer based on location; a movie theatre group, a different 2-for-1 admission to a different movie across town.
  • Promote loyalty. If you don’t already have one, build a loyalty card around your daily deals customers. The first time they come in, have them fill out a short form with their information, and then give a loyalty card with unique offers based around the daily deal. Use it X amount of times and they receive a free product or service (within a certain budget).

The beauty with the loyalty approach is that you can now tailor email and mobile campaigns to your customers (opt-in, obviously) that offers more call-to-action specials just for them.

Run that alongside any specials you offer existing customers, and you’re encouraging growth and repeat custom across the board. Which seems to be all that businesses and consumers of daily deal sites want, anyway.

Worth a shot, no?

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134 comments
TigranMekikian
TigranMekikian

Hi Danny, actually you discussed all of the points that our new site www.shooka.com addresses. In fact, we believe that the Merchants actually get the short-end of the stick when they go with Groupon or Living Social To make sure the Merchants have an advantage we have created a tool that allows for the Merchants to remain in contact with their customers long after the fact.

TigranMekikian
TigranMekikian

Hi Danny, actually you discussed all of the points that our new site www.shooka.com addresses. In fact, we believe that the Merchants actually get the short-end of the stick when they go with Groupon or Living Social To make sure the Merchants have an advantage we have created a tool that allows for the Merchants to remain in contact with their customers long after the fact.

foodgeek
foodgeek

Good article! I totally agree with your comments about loyalty and long term gain. Groupon and the like are turning our customers into fickle bargain obsesives who believe that the lowest price is the only factor to consider.

foodgeek
foodgeek

Good article! I totally agree with your comments about loyalty and long term gain.

Groupon and the like are turning our customers into fickle bargain obsesives who believe that the lowest price is the only factor to consider.

Shooka
Shooka

Hi Laura, we would love it if you would write an article about our little start-up. Our site is (www.Shooka.com) and it was created specifically to address all of issues that Groupon, Living Social and other daily deal companies miss. We are starting to convince the Merchants to give away their goods and services to generate leads in the form of e-mail signup to a list the merchant can then market to in the future via back-end marketing tools we have created. The focus is two-fold, give consumers the value and drive them into your store like Groupon, but then offer the Merchant (especially the ones that are not email savvy) the ability to market to their interested audience. This is a company that should get more attention, because it appears to be the future of Flash Deals. @lauraclick

Shooka
Shooka

There is a site out there (Shooka.com) that addresses all of issues that Groupon, Living Social and other daily deal companies miss. They have convinced the Merchants to give away their goods and services to generate leads in the form of e-mail signup to a list the merchant can market to again in the future via back-end marketing tools. This is a company that should get more attention, because it appears to be the future of Flash Deals.

lauraclick
lauraclick

@DannyBrown I never really thought of it that way, but you're right. It does feel a lot like business loans....or maybe more like payday loans! That's interesting that Groupon posted a loss. It will be interesting to see where things go from here. There seems to be a glut of deal sites on the market and I just don't think it's possible for all of them to survive. It seems the only ones who are really benefiting from all of this is the consumer - not the deal site or the businesses. After all, how can they when everything is discounted so steeply? Thanks for checking out my post - I appreciate it!

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@adamtoporek Hi mate, That's a great point about it being a marketing expense - if more businesses looked at it that way, I wouldn't be surprised if it forced the hands of the daily deal companies to make it a far more attractive proposition than it currently is. Sadly, I don't think holding our breaths will be a good idea on that... ;-)

adamtoporek
adamtoporek

Hey Danny, Being in retail I've looked into these types of sites a few times. The forced discount and the high cut of revenue the deal site takes often puts the business receiving 20-30% of what it normally charges. So, the deal is usually a money losing proposition for the company -- which is fine, but that means it's a marketing expense, and its performance should be evaluated that way. Certainly, there are certain businesses and industries that are exceptions. However, some generalizations seem to hold true for most... * Reach - decent, and usually greater than any qualified list the store has * Targeting - terrible, as the customers are mostly one-off deal-seekers * Add-on sales -- terrible, even for the businesses that have a decent add-on offering (many do not) * Conversion/Retention - terrible, again... one-off deal-seekers * Branding - negative, as the heavy discounting only dilutes value So as a marketing strategy, which it has to be considered, it fails pretty obviously. I think a lot of the suggestions you make in the post are sound, but are better just done directly, not through one of these deal sites (at least how most of them currently operate).

Adam | Customer Experience
Adam | Customer Experience

Hey Danny, Being in retail I've looked into these types of sites a few times. The forced discount and the high cut of revenue the deal site takes often puts the business receiving 20-30% of what it normally charges. So, the deal is usually a money losing proposition for the company -- which is fine, but that means it's a marketing expense, and its performance should be evaluated that way. Certainly, there are certain businesses and industries that are exceptions. However, some generalizations seem to hold true for most...

* Reach - decent, and usually greater than any qualified list the store has

* Targeting - terrible, as the customers are mostly one-off deal-seekers

* Add-on sales -- terrible, even for the businesses that have a decent add-on offering (many do not)

* Conversion/Retention - terrible, again... one-off deal-seekers

* Branding - negative, as the heavy discounting only dilutes value

So as a marketing strategy, which it has to be considered, it fails pretty obviously.

I think a lot of the suggestions you make in the post are sound, but are better just done directly, not through one of these deal sites (at least how most of them currently operate).

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@lauraclick You know, reading your comment, Laura, it became clear what the daily deal model reminds me of, and why businesses aren't benefiting (by all accounts). It's a bank business loan model, but one with higher interest rates than an actual loan. Like you say, businesses are seeing it as a golden goose, but whereas a loan is paid back longer term, Groupon takes a percentage from the off, and on every single purchase. For many businesses, that's too much of a jump and they're not getting the return they need. Add in the lack of return business, and it's a win for the daily deal sites, and (seemingly) less so for the retailer or partner. Mind you, Groupon just posted a loss of $103 million in the last three months, despite sales being "up", so maybe they aren't winning after all? Look forward to checking out your post.

lauraclick
lauraclick

Ah, Groupon. There's just so much to say about this topic, isn't there? I wrote about this several months back (here it is if you're interested: http://flybluekite.com/2010/10/25/is-groupon-good-for-business/) I think the problem is that Groupon and other similar sites do a piss poor job of helping businesses make their Groupon successful. The business is left to figure out a campaign that makes sense, and, like you mentioned, may shoot themselves in the foot. Also, the business really needs to think through how to capture the attention (and contact information) of these customers and encourage them to come back. The problem is that so many businesses don't know how to create loyalty campaign (or don't think to do one) and Groupon certainly doesn't offer that kind of guidance. Groupon is attractive to small businesses because you don't have the outlay of hard costs on the front end. Unfortunately, these businesses are hoping for a silver bullet and they don't get one because they don't know how to maximize the campaign and Groupon doesn't offer that kind of support. At the end of the day, Groupon is great for consumers, but not usually a great idea for businesses.

lauraclick
lauraclick

Ah, Groupon. There's just so much to say about this topic, isn't there?

I wrote about this several months back (here it is if you're interested: http://flybluekite.com/2010/10/25/is-groupon-good-for-business/)

I think the problem is that Groupon and other similar sites do a piss poor job of helping businesses make their Groupon successful. The business is left to figure out a campaign that makes sense, and, like you mentioned, may shoot themselves in the foot. Also, the business really needs to think through how to capture the attention (and contact information) of these customers and encourage them to come back. The problem is that so many businesses don't know how to create loyalty campaign (or don't think to do one) and Groupon certainly doesn't offer that kind of guidance.

Groupon is attractive to small businesses because you don't have the outlay of hard costs on the front end. Unfortunately, these businesses are hoping for a silver bullet and they don't get one because they don't know how to maximize the campaign and Groupon doesn't offer that kind of support.

At the end of the day, Groupon is great for consumers, but not usually a great idea for businesses.

lisarobbinyoung
lisarobbinyoung

@DannyBrown I tend to shy away from loss leaders because of my belief that we train people on how we want them to behave with us. So yeah, if you can find a market where there's a big margin, that won't hurt someone to offer that kind of deal, you'd have a great opportunity. Unfortunately, only jewelers come to mind right now, but my personal industry experiences are limited to what I've got in my own back yard. But you make some good points about spreading the deal around, because then it's a more beneficial (more bilateral) agreement all the way around. You're encouraging repeat customers & the potential for loyalty, while raising the consumer's barrier to entry only slightly. If they really want that 60% off deal, they've got to shop twice instead of once. That means, they've really got to want it, which to me reduces the number of tire kickers and freebie seekers. In my own practice, I offer the graduates of my intensive coaching program a substantially lower rate for the one-off "follow-up" or "check in" sessions. I've never liked the idea that cable companies offer their best deals to new customers only, and wanted to flip that around to reward my loyal clients. Plus, it gives me a way to keep in touch when a client might not need my intensive services anymore. That, to me is an example of rewarding loyalty in a big way - to keep them coming back over time.

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@lisarobbinyoung Part of me thinks the Groupon model (big discounts, few repeat customers) would be better suited to seasonal sales. You get Christmas, Valentine's Day, Hallowe'en, whatever, and do a big push then for specials on these specific days. You're not too bothered about taking a small hit then because - hopefully - the traffic will be so big that the incidental sales will make up for any shortfall. I don't know - just seems to be a great opportunity somewhere, and the current model is (possibly) missing it. Thanks, Lisa!

lisarobbinyoung
lisarobbinyoung

I've not sorted through the comments yet, so if I'm being redundant, apologies. I have a colleague friend that was booked into helping build a site like this and she asked me for suggestions of products to promote. I explained to her frankly that I have a problem with sites lie Groupon for this very reason. It's like the discussion of brand advertising versus direct response. It seemed to me that only people with deep pockets could afford to cut their costs so deeply - even for a given volume of sales. And when the ROI was discussed, well, let's just say it was a short discussion. I take a Jerry Maguire approach to these things. If you can't show me how the money's going to come back to me, how can you expect me to invest? They don't - they expect you to spend, and that's not something I'm ready to do in my biz. Plus, as you say, we're training people how to behave and what to expect. I rarely do sales in my business for that very reason. I don't want my clients to wait around to "get a deal" when I'm already affordably priced for the results I produce. Daily deals are a fad that hurts everyone except the company raking in the commission. For a restaurant, who may have a high markup on food, it might be a great way to get people out of their comfort zone and try something new. But as you said, it's the waitstaff, not the restaurant, that takes the hit in the pocket book. For retailers I've talked to in my area, Groupon is often a loss leader - emphasis on "loss".

lisarobbinyoung
lisarobbinyoung

I've not sorted through the comments yet, so if I'm being redundant, apologies.

I have a colleague friend that was booked into helping build a site like this and she asked me for suggestions of products to promote. I explained to her frankly that I have a problem with sites lie Groupon for this very reason. It's like the discussion of brand advertising versus direct response. It seemed to me that only people with deep pockets could afford to cut their costs so deeply - even for a given volume of sales. And when the ROI was discussed, well, let's just say it was a short discussion. I take a Jerry Maguire approach to these things. If you can't show me how the money's going to come back to me, how can you expect me to invest? They don't - they expect you to spend, and that's not something I'm ready to do in my biz.

Plus, as you say, we're training people how to behave and what to expect. I rarely do sales in my business for that very reason. I don't want my clients to wait around to "get a deal" when I'm already affordably priced for the results I produce. Daily deals are a fad that hurts everyone except the company raking in the commission.

For a restaurant, who may have a high markup on food, it might be a great way to get people out of their comfort zone and try something new. But as you said, it's the waitstaff, not the restaurant, that takes the hit in the pocket book. For retailers I've talked to in my area, Groupon is often a loss leader - emphasis on "loss".

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@JeffKryger Cheers Jeff. The news today that Groupon has posted a loss of $103 million in Q2, despite sales being up, suggest there's something wrong with the model as it stands. Wonder if they regret turning Google down now, when they came calling with $6 billion in their pocket...

JeffKryger
JeffKryger

I've thought for a while that Daily Deal sites were going to be one-hit wonders for businesses, so your stats don't surprise me. I like your suggested alternative discount approaches, those make way more business sense!

JeffKryger
JeffKryger

I've thought for a while that Daily Deal sites were going to be one-hit wonders for businesses, so your stats don't surprise me. I like your suggested alternative discount approaches, those make way more business sense!

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@Sean McGinnis That's the thing, mate - from what I've seen so far of daily deal sites, the offering is pretty random. Make it better targeted, based on search, clicks and location demographics, and you'd have a far stronger platform. Funnily enough, guess which company has all the information on search, clicks and location demographics... ;-)

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@Justicewordlaw You only need to look at Apple, and how they have such huge brand enthusiasts, to see that premium sells if the offering is right. I get that offering deals and discounts might get you short-term buzz, but if it doesn't sustain over a longer period, I wonder how beneficial it actually is... Cheers, sir, hope you're well.

Justicewordlaw
Justicewordlaw

Now, this was something to read and also interesting. I know from a consumer stand point that this makes a lot of sense to see businesses not seeing long term business come out of these services because as you stated most of them are one time by specials. But, if they can figure out a way to integrate this great deals into a more membership long term way then the companies could really then see some of the benefit of using groupon and living social. Great post Danny.

Justicewordlaw
Justicewordlaw

Now, this was something to read and also interesting. I know from a consumer stand point that this makes a lot of sense to see businesses not seeing long term business come out of these services because as you stated most of them are one time by specials. But, if they can figure out a way to integrate this great deals into a more membership long term way then the companies could really then see some of the benefit of using groupon and living social. Great post Danny.

Sean McGinnis
Sean McGinnis

Know what's hilarious? When the Google dance with Groupon was coming to a head I had a complete post written in my noggin titled "The Long Tail of Groupon". Totally different topic. Nearly identical title. Mind you, this was back when I was bullish on Groupon and other daily deal sites (like a whole 5 months ago!) I was ready to defend Google's bid for the business as NOT being too high, because I saw immense value in slicing and dicing the customer base based on unique interests. I still believe Groupon has immense possibilities, but not if they do not tap substantially into the data that drives their customers. I think that's still possible, but they seem to have grown substantially as a sales culture (would have also been a significant issue as they integrated into the Google-Borg hive mind). Interesting read for a Sunday Morning Danny.

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@JGoldsborough Love your ideas, mate, especially using the Mayors to help tune the experience (mind you, I'm not a fan of rewarding just Mayors, but that's another topic!). My business partner Troy wrote a post about a local vegan shop, that correlates perfectly with your points about loyalty and the user experience: http://www.troyclaus.com/food-is-kind-but-kind-food-is-better/ Surprising how many businesses still don't get this one simple thing right...

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@LynxToTweet Thanks for the hotel example, Drew - seems to be one that's all too common, unfortunately, with the deal sites. Like you say, where's the loyalty except to the deal? I'm wondering if Groupon and others actually worked more closely with the vendors, and saw what would work for their market, if they'd encourage a larger retention rate? Because it can't be doing Groupon any good to see the amount of non-repeat vendors.

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@Chris_Eh_Young Agreed, mate. As I mentioned to @NancyD68 above, it'll be interesting to see how the playing field lies in 12 months time, and see what the offerings are like then. I'm wondering if Google will be a bigger player, with its Latitude, Maps and Wallet combining to take on LBS.

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@NancyD68 Great points all round, Nancy. I think Groupon, and sites like them, are better-suited to the small business owners, where there are no chains involved, and it's just a family-owned store. Even then, though, these guys might not even need that, since many could be offering the personal touch that you showed so well, and have loyal customers anyway. It'll be interesting to see if any of these sites are around in 12 months time and, if so, in what shape. And I already knew you were a smarty. :)

NancyD68
NancyD68

Since I have worked in retail for most of my life, I have to reply to this. I worked in Nordstrom in Women's shoes for several years. They only have a few sales per year, and a very loyal customer base. I doubt very much they would ever have to resort to Groupon or any other kind of "daily deal" gimmick. When i was with them, I maintained a personal book of clients, and would when things were slow, call them because I had shoes I knew they liked, by brands I knew they purchased.I was loved by my regulars, because I took notes on what they liked, sizes names of children, etc. I even wrote (by hand) thank you notes to those I had not seen in a while or large purchases.

Customer service always breeds loyalty. Cheap deals get people in the door but will never retain them. If you really want lifetime clients - Groipon is not the way to go. I go to a small hair salon near me. they serve you hand over foot. They did a Groupon back in June. Next month when I go back to get my hair done, I am going to ask how they did with customer retention, since i am highly curious.

I love this topic, and could go on about it even more - but I will stop here, since I am certain I stunned you already. I bet you didn't know l have any business sense did you? :)

NancyD68
NancyD68

Since I have worked in retail for most of my life, I have to reply to this. I worked in Nordstrom in Women's shoes for several years. They only have a few sales per year, and a very loyal customer base. I doubt very much they would ever have to resort to Groupon or any other kind of "daily deal" gimmick. When i was with them, I maintained a personal book of clients, and would when things were slow, call them because I had shoes I knew they liked, by brands I knew they purchased.I was loved by my regulars, because I took notes on what they liked, sizes names of children, etc. I even wrote (by hand) thank you notes to those I had not seen in a while or large purchases. Customer service always breeds loyalty. Cheap deals get people in the door but will never retain them. If you really want lifetime clients - Groipon is not the way to go. I go to a small hair salon near me. they serve you hand over foot. They did a Groupon back in June. Next month when I go back to get my hair done, I am going to ask how they did with customer retention, since i am highly curious. I love this topic, and could go on about it even more - but I will stop here, since I am certain I stunned you already. I bet you didn't know l have any business sense did you? :)

Chris_Eh_Young
Chris_Eh_Young

As I said on G+ Danny, the majority of people that buy group deals are deal dedicated, not business dedicated.

With unsatisfaction rates that high, competition growing quickly, and repeat rates falling drastically, the group buy model as it sits now is doomed.

Chris_Eh_Young
Chris_Eh_Young

As I said on G+ Danny, the majority of people that buy group deals are deal dedicated, not business dedicated. With unsatisfaction rates that high, competition growing quickly, and repeat rates falling drastically, the group buy model as it sits now is doomed.

Ameena Falchetto
Ameena Falchetto

@DannyBrown@TheJackB Value is always interesting. Giving something away devalues something for sure - the tricky part is making sure the pricing is right - something is only worth the price someone is prepared to pay for it which is obviously linked to value.

Ameena Falchetto
Ameena Falchetto

@DannyBrown It's the low margin high turnover vs. high margin low turnover question isn't it? Chicken or the egg ... ? Brands, provided they preserve their values, quality and look after their fans, pricing is not really an issue IMHO.

LynxToTweet
LynxToTweet

@Roger_Tee@DannyBrown Great...well just let me know when things shake out. I'd be interested in seeing where you go with things. I'm on Twitter and Facebook.

Roger_Tee
Roger_Tee

@LynxToTweet @DannyBrown thats exactly our focus. Loyalty focus and rewarding and recognizing loyal customers for word of mouth brand evangelism. We've got some secret in the works to make it viral on the consumer side. That will cone out in October.

LynxToTweet
LynxToTweet

@Roger_Tee@DannyBrown Now you've got me interested. Love watching startups and as a long time web developer, I can tell you, loyalty and quality referrals are the bread and butter for any small business. Any program built around those two areas is truly needed.

Craig Stark
Craig Stark

I have yet to see an offer that considers my preferences or needs. Total noise in the signal to noise ratio.

Same with facebook ads. These social apps are anti-social in that they rely on demographic data and geo targeting rather than socialgraphic targeting. Most are seemingly simple e mail push offers.

I'd like to see a dynamic bidirectional system of offers that use their aggregation benefits to find me offers based on what we want-not a serial birrage of crap hitting my inbox.

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@Adam | Customer Experience Hi mate,

That's a great point about it being a marketing expense - if more businesses looked at it that way, I wouldn't be surprised if it forced the hands of the daily deal companies to make it a far more attractive proposition than it currently is.

Sadly, I don't think holding our breaths will be a good idea on that... ;-)

Shooka
Shooka

Hi Laura, we would love it if you would write an article about our little start-up. Our site is (www.Shooka.com) and it was created specifically to address all of issues that Groupon, Living Social and other daily deal companies miss. We are starting to convince the Merchants to give away their goods and services to generate leads in the form of e-mail signup to a list the merchant can then market to in the future via back-end marketing tools we have created. The focus is two-fold, give consumers the value and drive them into your store like Groupon, but then offer the Merchant (especially the ones that are not email savvy) the ability to market to their interested audience. This is a company that should get more attention, because it appears to be the future of Flash Deals. @lauraclick

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@lauraclick You know, reading your comment, Laura, it became clear what the daily deal model reminds me of, and why businesses aren't benefiting (by all accounts). It's a bank business loan model, but one with higher interest rates than an actual loan.

Like you say, businesses are seeing it as a golden goose, but whereas a loan is paid back longer term, Groupon takes a percentage from the off, and on every single purchase. For many businesses, that's too much of a jump and they're not getting the return they need.

Add in the lack of return business, and it's a win for the daily deal sites, and (seemingly) less so for the retailer or partner.

Mind you, Groupon just posted a loss of $103 million in the last three months, despite sales being "up", so maybe they aren't winning after all?

Look forward to checking out your post.

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@lisarobbinyoung Part of me thinks the Groupon model (big discounts, few repeat customers) would be better suited to seasonal sales. You get Christmas, Valentine's Day, Hallowe'en, whatever, and do a big push then for specials on these specific days.

You're not too bothered about taking a small hit then because - hopefully - the traffic will be so big that the incidental sales will make up for any shortfall.

I don't know - just seems to be a great opportunity somewhere, and the current model is (possibly) missing it.

Thanks, Lisa!

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@JeffKryger Cheers Jeff.

The news today that Groupon has posted a loss of $103 million in Q2, despite sales being up, suggest there's something wrong with the model as it stands. Wonder if they regret turning Google down now, when they came calling with $6 billion in their pocket...

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@Justicewordlaw You only need to look at Apple, and how they have such huge brand enthusiasts, to see that premium sells if the offering is right.

I get that offering deals and discounts might get you short-term buzz, but if it doesn't sustain over a longer period, I wonder how beneficial it actually is...

Cheers, sir, hope you're well.

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@deleted_91832_Sean McGinnis That's the thing, mate - from what I've seen so far of daily deal sites, the offering is pretty random. Make it better targeted, based on search, clicks and location demographics, and you'd have a far stronger platform.

Funnily enough, guess which company has all the information on search, clicks and location demographics... ;-)

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@NancyD68 Great points all round, Nancy.

I think Groupon, and sites like them, are better-suited to the small business owners, where there are no chains involved, and it's just a family-owned store.

Even then, though, these guys might not even need that, since many could be offering the personal touch that you showed so well, and have loyal customers anyway. It'll be interesting to see if any of these sites are around in 12 months time and, if so, in what shape.

And I already knew you were a smarty. :)

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

@Chris_Eh_Young Agreed, mate. As I mentioned to @NancyD68 above, it'll be interesting to see how the playing field lies in 12 months time, and see what the offerings are like then. I'm wondering if Google will be a bigger player, with its Latitude, Maps and Wallet combining to take on LBS.

lauraclick
lauraclick

@Danny Brown I never really thought of it that way, but you're right. It does feel a lot like business loans....or maybe more like payday loans!

That's interesting that Groupon posted a loss. It will be interesting to see where things go from here. There seems to be a glut of deal sites on the market and I just don't think it's possible for all of them to survive. It seems the only ones who are really benefiting from all of this is the consumer - not the deal site or the businesses. After all, how can they when everything is discounted so steeply?

Thanks for checking out my post - I appreciate it!

lisarobbinyoung
lisarobbinyoung

@Danny Brown I tend to shy away from loss leaders because of my belief that we train people on how we want them to behave with us. So yeah, if you can find a market where there's a big margin, that won't hurt someone to offer that kind of deal, you'd have a great opportunity. Unfortunately, only jewelers come to mind right now, but my personal industry experiences are limited to what I've got in my own back yard.

But you make some good points about spreading the deal around, because then it's a more beneficial (more bilateral) agreement all the way around. You're encouraging repeat customers & the potential for loyalty, while raising the consumer's barrier to entry only slightly. If they really want that 60% off deal, they've got to shop twice instead of once. That means, they've really got to want it, which to me reduces the number of tire kickers and freebie seekers.

In my own practice, I offer the graduates of my intensive coaching program a substantially lower rate for the one-off "follow-up" or "check in" sessions. I've never liked the idea that cable companies offer their best deals to new customers only, and wanted to flip that around to reward my loyal clients. Plus, it gives me a way to keep in touch when a client might not need my intensive services anymore.

That, to me is an example of rewarding loyalty in a big way - to keep them coming back over time.