Is Klout Using Our Family to Violate Our Privacy?




Klout and privacy

First, apologies to anyone suffering Klout burnout here – but sometimes a topic has more than just a simple viewpoint. Especially when that topic is something like online privacy. And that privacy has (potentially) been broken by Klout.

I was on Facebook today, and my friend Tonia Ries asked about Klout’s ability to make profiles, when users haven’t connected their details with the service. I pointed her to the response from Megan Berry, Klout’s marketing manager, where she says if we don’t want to be tracked, then to make our social feeds private.

Even though I feel having to make your social feeds private to stop any service from accessing it is commercial suicide, especially for a business whose primary custom is online, at least there was an option to stop Klout from grabbing your information.

At least, until Tonia pointed out the example of her son.

He isn’t on Twitter, and he’s not super active on Facebook. He hasn’t given Klout permission to access his account, and he has his Facebook privacy settings at private. Just like Megan advises.

And yet here he is on Klout, with a profile and score of 38. However, that’s not the issue. The bigger issue is this. As you can see from the image (which I’ve blurred to protect his identity), you can clearly see that his Facebook icon is a live one (i.e., not shaded out), which means people can visit his Klout profile and be taken to his very private Facebook profile by clicking the Facebook icon.

Klout Influence Report

So, a private Facebook profile with no access allowed to Klout is now on their system and, worse still, allowing any public visitor to Klout to be taken directly to Tonia’s son’s private Facebook account?

Doesn’t something smell incredibly rotten here?

When looking into the issue more, Tonia mentions that her son commented on her Facebook wall about something. Tonia’s account is public – so does that mean Klout has activated an account for Tonia’s son, based on her being an “influencer” of her own son? All from one single wall post?

Sorry, Klout, but if that’s the case, that’s bullshit, and you’re treading on very slippery ground.

If you’re going to activate accounts for people who have their feeds set to private, and justify it by saying, “But they spoke to someone who has a public account”, that’s crap. That’s like saying, “Well, we’re going to telemarket call your son’s private phone number because we overheard you asking for his new number on your public phone.”

Seriously, Klout?

So, a word of warning to everyone. Your friends and family, who have absolutely no interest in social media, may be getting hawked as an active contributor to the Klout userbase, whether they have a private account or not, simply through their interactions with you.

Something to keep in mind when hooking up your own information to something like Klout….

Updates:
~ Check out Tonia’s own take on the issue in this post at The Realtime Report.
~ Check out Brian Carter’s take on this post over at All Facebook.
~ Marian Heath from Facebook Safety has advised they are investigating Klout to make sure they’re complying with Facebook’s Privacy Terms.
~ Fernando Fonseca has posted instructions on how to be completely removed from Klout legally.
~ Jure Klepic has published a great resource on how to get completely disconnected from Klout.
~ Update: As of November 1st 2011, you can now delete your Klout account

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I totally agree.They have to adress this issue and the sooner the better.I really think it an afront to my security on the web.The ice it's already cracked , so to say....

I am happy I didn't registered on klout. I was about to do so. But finding these news have made me to reconsider. Thank you.

Shelley Pringle 71 pts

I was just listening to FIR and they also mentioned stories about minors who inadvertently had Klout scores. If you don't already subscribe, you can get the podcast here: http://www.forimmediaterelease.biz/. When I first read this post I hoped it was an isolated incident. Clearly, it's not.

My latest conversation: Marg Delahunty

KatCaverly 28 pts

You can now opt-out of Klout — thanks to the efforts of DannyBrown jureklepic alarming facts about Klout have been disseminated through the Twitterverse. I was ignored for 3 days, numerous emails and researching legal options but then Joe Fernandez emailed me and said that had built a self-service opt-out function within Klout.com.

Opting out immediately removes your profile from Klout.com but I am the Klout Chrome Twitter plugin still displays a score. I am timing how long ti takes to display no score at all!

DannyBrown 2790 pts moderator

KatCaverlyjureklepic Nice to see Klout listen to the feedback/criticism and offer this option. Shame it had to be under "duress", but kudos for actually implementing it.

My latest conversation: Klout Now Allows You To Delete Your Account

JoAnnCandelaria 15 pts

KatCaverlyDannyBrownjureklepic Glad to see an opt-out option, but I still believe the ethical thing is to have an opt-in policy. People shouldn't have to opt-out of having their information shared to the world.

DannyBrown 2790 pts moderator

JoAnnCandelariaKatCaverlyjureklepic Completely agree - especially when it's minors involved. But even with adults, the possibility of careers being affected unknowingly, because of a creation of something you don't even know about, is far from ideal still.

My latest conversation: Klout Now Allows You To Delete Your Account

KatCaverly 28 pts

If you have a public Twitter account you have opted in to share your information to the world, what I objected too was the gamification of this data and reducing my social activity to a number. JoAnnCandelaria DannyBrown jureklepic

PamMktgNut 66 pts

KatCaverlyJoAnnCandelariaDannyBrownjureklepic how do I delete my accounts? The option to delete my account does not appear in my profile settings?

My latest conversation: 41 Signs You Are NOT a Social Business

jureklepic 85 pts

PamMktgNutKatCaverlyJoAnnCandelariaDannyBrown login going under account settings and scroll down to bottom you will see link delete my account ...

My latest conversation: Influence Met Transparency with @Kred

KatCaverly 28 pts

PamMktgNut so Klout moved the link to "Account settings" ?? You can also opt-out this way http://klout.com/corp/optout I found this by querying "opt-out of Klout"

My latest conversation: Is Online Influence Irrelevant? Is the Game Gaming You?

tonia_ries 117 pts

KatCaverlyPamMktgNut don't you love how they made this really easy to find? And it only takes 3 steps and a few weeks ... ;-)

My latest conversation: Mobile Users: 62% Will Use Smartphone/Tablet For Holiday Shopping

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DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@mcahalane @MLInnovations Ya. @Klout is about as credible as a chocolate fire guard...

mcahalane
mcahalane

@DannyBrown @mlinnovations :) I wanted Michael to hear what you've said, because you make lots of sense

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@mcahalane @mlinnovations Haha, makes a pleasant change :)

LizzHarmon
LizzHarmon

IowaHawkeyeMeg Scary stuff, isn't? Seems #Klout has lost it's glow.

MyGOMOM
MyGOMOM

centsiblelife That's what infuriates me about all of this ~ I don't have my FB connected to my Klout ~ but that's so lame! Link to delete?

hchybinski
hchybinski

MyGOMOM centsiblelife I don't have mine linked either

centsiblelife
centsiblelife

hchybinski MyGOMOM unfortunately I think it could still have access to your info.

MyGOMOM
MyGOMOM

centsiblelife hchybinski That's what that article concerns me about, that even if I don't link to personal FB, klout has access = wrong!

hchybinski
hchybinski

centsiblelife MyGOMOM oh I have no doubt...there's lots of behind the scenes data gathering I think...from many sites

centsiblelife
centsiblelife

MyGOMOM hchybinski agreed!

centsiblelife
centsiblelife

MyGOMOM go into profile settings all the way down to privacy, then scroll all the way down to opt out.

letters4lucas
letters4lucas

GalitBreen Scary, huh? dannybrown

xlmic
xlmic

MamaWantsThis wow... that felt good.

xlmic
xlmic

MamaWantsThis i am going to be a copycat...i don't get it and don't think I want to now. thx!

Josiejacob
Josiejacob

MamaWantsThis I don't even know what Klout is, but it sounds very invasive.

MamasMonologues
MamasMonologues

SaidKristin Thats scary.

SaidKristin
SaidKristin

MamasMonologues Yeah, a little too Big Brother for me. I don't mind a public Twitter feed, but I keep my FB page private for a reason.

MamasMonologues
MamasMonologues

SaidKristin So do I.

MamasMonologues
MamasMonologues

mytimeasmom I just read that. I do keep my FB profile very private. Is there a benefit to keeping klout? SJM_CookiesMom

mytimeasmom
mytimeasmom

MamasMonologues Perks? SJM_CookiesMom

MamasMonologues
MamasMonologues

mytimeasmom True. It's been a long time since I've had one though. SJM_CookiesMom

SJM_CookiesMom
SJM_CookiesMom

MamasMonologues mytimeasmom I've had one (lame) perk. I'll be careful when my son starts wanting a social profile. Until then, meh.

coreenie_k
coreenie_k

OldTweener letters4lucas klout dannybrown It sure is!!

alexcampbell11
alexcampbell11

letters4lucas I'm really considering deleting mine too. I never cared much for it anyway but now with the pt loss I really don't care.

letters4lucas
letters4lucas

alexcampbell11 It's super easy, just go into your profile and settings.

NapTimeMomTog
NapTimeMomTog

letters4lucas okay that is freaky. how do i delete it?

letters4lucas
letters4lucas

NapTimeMomTog oops that last tweet I sent was meant for you: It's super easy, just go into your profile and settings.

NapTimeMomTog
NapTimeMomTog

letters4lucas okay. i was looking but didn't see it. lol. i am a little tired.

letters4lucas
letters4lucas

NapTimeMomTog Now that I don't have an account anymore, it's hard to tell you how I did it but it was really easy.

NapTimeMomTog
NapTimeMomTog

letters4lucas oh i see it. thanks!

LizJostes
LizJostes

CarriBrown Just tweeted that - isn\'t it awful?!?! #BoycottKlout

CarriBrown
CarriBrown

bellebeandog Yes! I signed up for it. Fine. But opt in everyone I talk to on Facebook? NOT COOL, klout #BoycottKlout

LizJostes
LizJostes

nugglemama Reading that a child has a Klout score because he commented on his mom\'s profile?!?! Frightening! #BoycottKlout

nugglemama
nugglemama

bellebeandog I agree. #BoycottKlout

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

noelliebellie klout Cheers Noelle - did you read this from danieleagee ? http://t.co/aDyv8L4Q #pvsm

JulieLeask
JulieLeask

TweetSmarter Thanks for the links

TweetSmarter
TweetSmarter

JulieLeask You're welcome, Julie!

brittneyg
brittneyg

SuburbanTurmoil thanks!

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