Strong title? Probably – but then PinPal deserves it.

Currently in private beta, PinPal is a new start-up that looks to create a casual dating network by using the API’s of Twitter, Facebook, Klout and, as the name might suggest, Pinterest.

From the site’s own description:

PinPal combines the visual magic of Pinterest with the connecting power of your favorite social networks to help you find your perfect PinPal!

After you sign up, we’ll search through your favorite social networks to find your friends – and more importantly, their friends! Up to three degrees of separation!

In essence, it’s a pretty smart idea and one that, when you think about it, is surprising that no-one else has thought of it. But you know there’s going to be a “But…”, and you’d be right.

The Creepiness Factor of PinPal

Note the key sentence that stands out – “we’ll search through your favorite social networks to find your friends – and more importantly, their friends!”. Doesn’t that set alarm bells ringing?

It reminds me of the issues Klout faced  a while back when they were caught adding friends of their site’s users to their platform, whether that friend was connected with Klout or not. It’s the same ideals, the same methodology.

Haven’t we learned anything from Klout’s failings when it comes to privacy and abuse of it? Apparently not, according to PinPal.

According to the FAQ section of the PinPal site, privacy no longer exists on the web. Their take on users’ privacy concerns?

Let us ask you a question – is your privacy safe online anyway? We don’t think it is, as much as we’d like it to be. So, to answer the question of privacy, you have as much privacy on PinPal as you do elsewhere online – we think that’s the fairest way to go.

So, essentially what PinPal is saying is if you trust other online properties – especially the ones we use to gather your information – then by definition you should trust us. Encouraging…

Especially when you see how the service works.

When you access the beta (invite-only at the minute – I was asked to have a look), PinPal connects your Twitter and Facebook account, and not only gets your information but also, as it turns out, that of your friends.

Whether  they’re locked down in private settings or not.

They then source that against Klout, and determine if the user is “worthy” of being in the system. For instance, you need a Klout score of 40 or more to progress.

Once your influence and worthiness of being a date partner is assessed, your Pinterest account is then brought into play, and PinPal scours that API to find people of the opposite sex that you’re connected to. That’s added to the Twitter and Facebook friend information – and the friends of the user – to create a “hot list” of potential partners for a casual date.

PinPal creates a private board and the pictures of the “possibilities” go on display for all to see. You pick your chosen Pin, and introductions are made.

As a dating site, that would work well. But PinPal isn’t just any old dating site, and therein lies the issue.

You’re On Your Own, Sport

Online dating sites are ramping up security and their process after an alleged rape of a woman using a dating site in Southern California. It’s tragic that something so awful should have spurred this action, but at least they’re trying to protect others from the same fate.

PinPal seems to avoid this major concern, and almost shows disdain for anyone asking about it. Again, from their FAQs, in answer to the question how safe PinPal dates are:

As safe as any online dating service, with the added security that this is all happening with social media, so if something goes wrong you can let people know about it. That’s pretty powerful stuff right there!

So, essentially, because you can tweet about your date, if something goes wrong – heaven forbid, something as serious as the SoCal case – it’s okay, because your tweet will be enough to create a backlash against your attacker…

At its best, it’s naivety – at its worse, it’s gross negligence and abandonment of responsibilities to your users.

So, in a nutshell, PinPal is creating potentially dangerous situations not only for you, but for your friends too, who may not even be aware they’ve been sucked into PinPal’s questionable practice.

Like I mentioned earlier, it reminds me of Klout at their peak of bad practices. But at least Klout saw sense and offered opt-out solutions for anyone not wishing to be in their system.

From the looks of PinPal, once in it’s very difficult to leave. And even if you do, your friends are still on display for all to see.

No matter how you dress it, that’s bullshit.

I reached out to Jimmy Addison, the co-founder of PinPal, for his thoughts on these concerns, but there’s been no reply as of yet.

In the meantime, if you want an example of all that’s wrong with social media, look no further than PinPal. They’ve got to be a lawsuit waiting to happen…

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256 comments
DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@nittyGriddyBlog Ironically enough, @Tawkly seems to have completely ripped off the @PinPalWizard idea...

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@nittyGriddyBlog Ironically enough, @Tawkly seems to have completely ripped off the @PinPalWizard idea...

Anders Michael
Anders Michael

Creative but this one is going to take a bit to get used to...

Anders Michael
Anders Michael

Creative but this one is going to take a bit to get used to...

Andrea T.H.W.
Andrea T.H.W.

Having credit cards circuits knowing everything about our expenses wasn't enough. Or FaceBook knowing whatever we do online, and let's not forget Google+. Someone shoud start a class action for net surfer to be paid royalties as it's our online life that these guys are making money of. It's not just a matter of privacy which has now become a kind of an empty word, it's that they are earning millions without paying the copyrights. Better than nothing.   The beautiful thing about sci-fi is that it usually becomes true so sooner or later someone will create a software able to delete our personal informations wherever they are stored at our own will. This is a software I'll surely buy.   Great article Danny, very interesting. :)

Andrea T.H.W.
Andrea T.H.W.

Having credit cards circuits knowing everything about our expenses wasn't enough. Or FaceBook knowing whatever we do online, and let's not forget Google+. Someone shoud start a class action for net surfer to be paid royalties as it's our online life that these guys are making money of. It's not just a matter of privacy which has now become a kind of an empty word, it's that they are earning millions without paying the copyrights. Better than nothing.

 

The beautiful thing about sci-fi is that it usually becomes true so sooner or later someone will create a software able to delete our personal informations wherever they are stored at our own will. This is a software I'll surely buy.

 

Great article Danny, very interesting. :)

Lori
Lori

Thanks for this Danny! Not that I'm in the dating market, but it's good to know and to have this post to refer to. Lori

Lori
Lori

Thanks for this Danny! Not that I'm in the dating market, but it's good to know and to have this post to refer to.

Lori

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HowieSPM
HowieSPM

So @belllindsay and I have been hanging out in PinPal and it is better than expected. We have met so many amazing people. In fact Lindsay has 13 dates lined up. It really is a game changer.

Howie Goldfarb
Howie Goldfarb

So @belllindsay and I have been hanging out in PinPal and it is better than expected. We have met so many amazing people. In fact Lindsay has 13 dates lined up. It really is a game changer.

Leon
Leon

G'Day Danny,

Oh that i was young enough to be concerned!  "Pinpal:" when I first saw the name I thought it was a site for people who sewed.......or still used cloth nappies. 

 

Nevertheless, I will inform my elder grandchildren.... and yearn........just a tiny bit. Here in Australia most of us are automatic life members of convictpal anyway.

 

 

Now that's fun.

 

Best Wishes

 

Leon

 

 

Leon
Leon

G'Day Danny, Oh that i was young enough to be concerned!  "Pinpal:" when I first saw the name I thought it was a site for people who sewed.......or still used cloth nappies.    Nevertheless, I will inform my elder grandchildren.... and yearn........just a tiny bit. Here in Australia most of us are automatic life members of convictpal anyway.     Now that's fun.   Best Wishes   Leon    

wmwebdes
wmwebdes

Hi Mr B Keep still and listen very quietly.... can you hear it? You can just make out Jimmy Addison saying... "Oh bloody helll Danny B's on to us".

jureklepic
jureklepic

I am sure Klout will run the perks for them... Would you date someone with lower Klout score then yours LOL :) Well they did that while back probably when PinPal was testing Klout API...    I see few more political scandals coming out in next few weeks.... LOL         

jureklepic
jureklepic

I am sure Klout will run the perks for them... Would you date someone with lower Klout score then yours LOL :) Well they did that while back probably when PinPal was testing Klout API... 

 

I see few more political scandals coming out in next few weeks.... LOL 

 

 

 

 

RobertDempsey
RobertDempsey

Frankly I'm not sure what to say about this one. It's an interesting concept and everyone knows how much I love compiling data (yes I'm a numbers freak). Let's see how far the frat boy humor takes them. You never know...

 

As for their privacy policy, for a dating site collecting so much information it seems very weak. Their terms of service is a bit stronger.

 

As for their laissez faire FAQ on the privacy, that's unreal for a service such as theirs. Apparently Jimmy does take a play from the Joe Fernandez play book and basically tell you to suck it up.

 

Thankfully we all have a choice as to whether or not to use the services. I'm married so I'm out anyhow. But for those "single pinners" who might be considering, I hope they read the TOS and think about it before making a decision. But I doubt it.

 

Hrm that makes me think of a great app - putting into plain English the privacy policies and TOS of companies. Ah nevermind. People probably still wouldn't read it :)

RobertDempsey
RobertDempsey

Frankly I'm not sure what to say about this one. It's an interesting concept and everyone knows how much I love compiling data (yes I'm a numbers freak). Let's see how far the frat boy humor takes them. You never know...   As for their privacy policy, for a dating site collecting so much information it seems very weak. Their terms of service is a bit stronger.   As for their laissez faire FAQ on the privacy, that's unreal for a service such as theirs. Apparently Jimmy does take a play from the Joe Fernandez play book and basically tell you to suck it up.   Thankfully we all have a choice as to whether or not to use the services. I'm married so I'm out anyhow. But for those "single pinners" who might be considering, I hope they read the TOS and think about it before making a decision. But I doubt it.   Hrm that makes me think of a great app - putting into plain English the privacy policies and TOS of companies. Ah nevermind. People probably still wouldn't read it :)

SunnyC
SunnyC

@shellykramer @bobledrew LOL! PinPal is like d illegitimate kid of http://t.co/0xBi2xbD who has come 2 claim d family's inheritance.

SunnyC
SunnyC

@shellykramer @bobledrew LOL! PinPal is like d illegitimate kid of http://t.co/0xBi2xbD who has come 2 claim d family's inheritance.

jpippert
jpippert

@bobledrew but what if it could connect via music? Use spotify too?

jpippert
jpippert

@bobledrew but what if it could connect via music? Use spotify too?

amvandenhurk
amvandenhurk

@ShellyKramer where have you been all day? All a buzz. Trying to figure if it is legit, but today ANYTHING is possible. @bobledrew

nittyGriddyBlog
nittyGriddyBlog

@dannybrown Concept is still rather new to me. But I don't think I'll be using it anytime soon lol!

nittyGriddyBlog
nittyGriddyBlog

@dannybrown Concept is still rather new to me. But I don't think I'll be using it anytime soon lol!

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

 @HowieSPM  @belllindsay Yeah, that Lindsay is one slick mover. ;-)

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

 @Leon Haha, "cloth nappies" - I used to wear these buggers, mate!

wmwebdes
wmwebdes

 @jureklepic  Would you date someone with lower Klout score then yours LOL :) Very good.    

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

 @RobertDempsey See, it's comments like yours that make us happy, mate (and you now know the April Fool backstory and reasons why we did it). It shows we succeeded in our goals - believability, and the questioning of what we give up in the name of popularity.   And pinpalwizard  was a hoot! :)

bobledrew
bobledrew

@jpippert Well, that MIGHT mean I'd never get hooked up with a girl who like Nickelback or Shania. So there's that.

bobledrew
bobledrew

@jpippert Well, that MIGHT mean I'd never get hooked up with a girl who like Nickelback or Shania. So there's that.

bobledrew
bobledrew

@amvandenhurk Please tell me it's a joke. PLEASE. And the guy running it? His last name should be Massengill.

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@nittyGriddyBlog You could be the spokeslady! :)

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@nittyGriddyBlog You could be the spokeslady! :)

jpippert
jpippert

@bobledrew right? What if she's supercool on Bathrooms I Love but is a big Coldplay fan? #pinpal

jpippert
jpippert

@bobledrew right? What if she's supercool on Bathrooms I Love but is a big Coldplay fan? #pinpal

amvandenhurk
amvandenhurk

@bobledrew who knows? I mean aren't they a lot of guys who fit that?

nittyGriddyBlog
nittyGriddyBlog

@dannybrown Haha! It's not often that I find myself speechless ;).

nittyGriddyBlog
nittyGriddyBlog

@dannybrown Haha! It's not often that I find myself speechless ;).