At Some Stage the Conversation Has to Advance

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Over on Facebook, author and marketer Geoff Livingston posed the following question/statement:

Apart from the misplaced punctuation mark in CEO’s (*cough*, sorry Geoff, couldn’t resist!), it’s a great question, and one that solicited some great responses (mostly along the lines of CEOs don’t need to tweet).

Because, simply put, a CEO has one job and one job only – to meet the goals set for the company by the Board of Directors. In that role, he or she becomes responsible for four key tenets:

  • Communicator – ensuring the outside world and/or media are kept up-to-date with the current business.
  • Decision maker – responsible for the overall strategy and policy making.
  • Leader – advising the board of progress, motivating employees and driving change in the organization.
  • Manager – overseeing the day-to-day challenges and operations within the organization.

See any mandate for tweeting there, or being active on social media? No – because, as Geoff rightly points out, the role of a CEO is far more reaching than the occasional tweet.

So why are we still having this conversation about CEOs and the need for them to tweet? Simple – social media is stuck in a time-warp created by a number of “experts” severely lacking in true business acumen.

I Have a Klout Score of Eleventy Billion, Therefore I Am

Don’t worry, I’m not going to start one of my anti-Klout rants here. But the influencer model and social scoring metric has led to an epidemic of businesses looking to the wrong people to help them with their goals in social media.

Whereas previously consultants and agencies had to work their asses off to get to a level of expertise and trust before they began advising corporations and organizations, now you just have to appear to know what you’re on about and have that validated for you by your impressive social score.

It’s not really the fault of these platforms either – although they have exacerbated the problem with their “You’re no-one unless you’re a social someone” approach.

Social media in general has allowed people to rise from nowhere and become “the voice” that people should listen to when they speak.

Never mind the fact that their LinkedIn profile has no experience of actually running a multi-million dollar company; or shows any kind of success metrics or return except a high score on the latest influencer platform and a speaking slot at some non-descript conference.

And yet these are the folks that are advising CEOs should be stepping away from their daily duties and responsibilities to their employees, shareholders and customers, so they can impart 140 characters of wisdom that may have been vetted and scripted anyway.

It’s advice that seems to have been pumped for the last 5 years or so – as Doug Haslam put it on Geoff’s Facebook wall, “We’re still talking about this? <kicks time machine to make sure it hasn’t malfunctioned and sent me back 5 years>.”

It also shows the maturity this space still has to go through, and the nonsensical talk that “experts” need to advance from.

Customers Don’t Necessarily Care About the Tweet Owner

One of the main arguments put forward by these social media wonks (using Geoff’s description) is that by having the CEO tweet, the brand becomes more human and awesome.

Sorry, but you can’t pay the bills with awesome.

Can CEOs tweet and improve the brand perception with customers? For sure, and there are many examples of this – Zappos and Virgin are two that spring to mind.

But they also had an incredible culture within the company too, that the CEO mandated as part of his Leader role. The true success of these brands, and others in the social space, is not that the CEO is tweeting – it’s that the CEO empowered others to be truly human in their interactions with customers.

The majority of customers don’t care if the CEO tweets or not – what they do care about is an excellent product, a fair price, and a superb experience both during and after the sale.

That kind of return is what the CEO is employed to achieve – and he or she employs the right people to do that, whether it’s in sales, HR, or social media. Getting that part right is the role of a CEO – not hovering about on Twitter in the hope of “being awesome”.

Something those that are advising a CEO what to do had they ever had the actual experience of what that incurs behind them.

Otherwise, continuing the same kumbaya conversation will only hurt in the long run, and then everybody loses. Especially business.

Note: My friend Jeff Esposito has a great post today on the same topic.

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Danny Brown
Danny Brown

 @rdopping That's a great point about the visibility, mate - given that they're the calming voice (or should be) when one is needed, then it makes sense they need to be recognizable at these kind of times.   Does that mean they need to be on social media? Heck no - imagine if the CEO of BP had a Twitter account at the time of their spill. He was a big enough asshole as it was in front of the "normal media" - so definitely needs tempered to the right person, right place.   Cheers, sir, and great to meet you at last at Social Mix. :)

rdopping
rdopping

 @Danny Brown Great point. That would have single handedly brought twitter down not unlike Gary V's almost not making SocialMix. Likewise on the meet up. There needs to be a pint together in the near future.

DebraWEllis
DebraWEllis

@dukkytweets Thank you for the retweet. Have a great weekend!

DebraWEllis
DebraWEllis

@dukkytweets Thank you for the retweet. Have a great weekend!

Danny Brown
Danny Brown

 @HowieSPM Haha, I LOVE it when you bring the numbers here, mate, especially around Facebook. :)   But yep, 100% with you on the "people whining about this" thought - it's (usually) the ones that need this buy-in to make their existence make sense. ;-)

Danny Brown
Danny Brown

 @ianmcleary Agree 100% with your first point, mate - the ideal company and set-up would definitely have an open door policy for the employee to talk to the CEO (this could even be a webinar on internal platform). The show "Undercover CEO" shows how much value it brings when the CEO joins the "shop floor".   The area I'd disagree with, probably, is the effectiveness of a CEO if they're not active on social media. For me, this is where the best CEO's shine - they make the company culture so integral to everyone, it doesn't matter who's speaking on behalf of the company, you know the discussion is an idea that's baked into the company from the top down.   Interesting discussion for sure, thanks!

ianmcleary
ianmcleary

 @Danny Brown Hi Danny,  Social Media at it's basics gives you the ability to communicate with a larger audience in a time efficient manner.  If you're running a company of 20 people the best form of communication is 1 to 1.  If there's 1,000 people then if you really want to open up the channels of communication social media is a great way to do this.      I think you're right that it doesn't matter who is speaking on behalf of the company but if the CEO is not involved in that conversation it won't be as effective.    Social media is an integral part of Zappos.  If you asked the CEO if he needs to be involved in the conversation online through social media you know the answer!

rdopping
rdopping

Man there is a lot of banter about CEO's and SM recently, huh? CEO's are smart folks there ain't no denyin' that. And because they are smart and they know how to run their ship they also know that there are a lot of other smart people around them and that some of those people are better suited to manage customer relationships. Right?   There was an interesting comment (out of the 94 posted) from someone named Karin 2 here http://spinsucks.com/social-media/fortune-500-executives-arent-using-social-media-and-thats-ok/ about the idea that CEO culture cares very little about visibility and thereby when a corporate "disaster" happens and people hear from the CEO they are apt to think it is spin from somewhere else.   Interesting point of view. I don't think a CEO needs to tweet but they do need to be visible at a certain level to ensure their companies employees and the consumer who pay his salary via their financial support know that there is some humanity behind the seal. That and just so we know they are not a "ball sack" to directly quote Mr. Danny Brown.

rdopping
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Man there is a lot of banter about CEO's and SM recently, huh? CEO's are smart folks there ain't no denyin' that. And because they are smart and they know how to run their ship they also know that there are a lot of other smart people around them and that some of those people are better suited to manage customer relationships. Right?

 

There was an interesting comment (out of the 94 posted) from someone named Karin 2 here http://spinsucks.com/social-media/fortune-500-executives-arent-using-social-media-and-thats-ok/ about the idea that CEO culture cares very little about visibility and thereby when a corporate "disaster" happens and people hear from the CEO they are apt to think it is spin from somewhere else.

 

Interesting point of view. I don't think a CEO needs to tweet but they do need to be visible at a certain level to ensure their companies employees and the consumer who pay his salary via their financial support know that there is some humanity behind the seal. That and just so we know they are not a "ball sack" to directly quote Mr. Danny Brown.

Danny Brown
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 @rdopping That's a great point about the visibility, mate - given that they're the calming voice (or should be) when one is needed, then it makes sense they need to be recognizable at these kind of times.

 

Does that mean they need to be on social media? Heck no - imagine if the CEO of BP had a Twitter account at the time of their spill. He was a big enough asshole as it was in front of the "normal media" - so definitely needs tempered to the right person, right place.

 

Cheers, sir, and great to meet you at last at Social Mix. :)

rdopping
rdopping

 @Danny Brown Great point. That would have single handedly brought twitter down not unlike Gary V's almost not making SocialMix. Likewise on the meet up. There needs to be a pint together in the near future.

rdopping
rdopping

 @Danny Brown I always love when you use the word ball and sack in the same sentence.

iancleary
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I don't think the issue is related to a CEO tweeting or not.  It's about how we have all changed.  As employees we don't want to work with a company that has a faceless CEO that lives in an ivory tower.  We want to know more about the person at the helm.  We want to participate in decisions and feel part of the company.    As a customer we don't want to deal with brands, we want to hear about the people.

 

So I think the issue is that CEO's need to open up better channels to communicate with their staff and if they run very large companies they can't possibly have 1 to 1 relationships with everyone.  Social media is a good vehicle for communication.  

 

Also they have opportunities to build relationships with their peers, industry experts, important customers and much more online.  Without taking up this opportunity I believe a lot with have difficulty being an effective CEO.

 

Tweet, blog, facebook update, newsletter etc etc.. does it really matter.  I guess they need to consider how to take advantage of the communication options now available...

 

Ian

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

 @ianmcleary Agree 100% with your first point, mate - the ideal company and set-up would definitely have an open door policy for the employee to talk to the CEO (this could even be a webinar on internal platform). The show "Undercover CEO" shows how much value it brings when the CEO joins the "shop floor".

 

The area I'd disagree with, probably, is the effectiveness of a CEO if they're not active on social media. For me, this is where the best CEO's shine - they make the company culture so integral to everyone, it doesn't matter who's speaking on behalf of the company, you know the discussion is an idea that's baked into the company from the top down.

 

Interesting discussion for sure, thanks!

iancleary
iancleary like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Danny Brown Hi Danny,  Social Media at it's basics gives you the ability to communicate with a larger audience in a time efficient manner.  If you're running a company of 20 people the best form of communication is 1 to 1.  If there's 1,000 people then if you really want to open up the channels of communication social media is a great way to do this.   

 

I think you're right that it doesn't matter who is speaking on behalf of the company but if the CEO is not involved in that conversation it won't be as effective. 

 

Social media is an integral part of Zappos.  If you asked the CEO if he needs to be involved in the conversation online through social media you know the answer!

ianmcleary
ianmcleary

I don't think the issue is related to a CEO tweeting or not.  It's about how we have all changed.  As employees we don't want to work with a company that has a faceless CEO that lives in an ivory tower.  We want to know more about the person at the helm.  We want to participate in decisions and feel part of the company.    As a customer we don't want to deal with brands, we want to hear about the people.   So I think the issue is that CEO's need to open up better channels to communicate with their staff and if they run very large companies they can't possibly have 1 to 1 relationships with everyone.  Social media is a good vehicle for communication.     Also they have opportunities to build relationships with their peers, industry experts, important customers and much more online.  Without taking up this opportunity I believe a lot with have difficulty being an effective CEO.   Tweet, blog, facebook update, newsletter etc etc.. does it really matter.  I guess they need to consider how to take advantage of the communication options now available...   Ian

HowieG
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I think this comes down to my number crunching Danny. I will use the US for my thesis. 310mil people. 250mil consumers over the age of 14. 200mil + internet users. While 150mil visit Facebook once per month only 75mil are there each day. Of the 75mil only 30mil to post something, like something, comment etc. 30mil out of 200mil is not everyone or close. Forget twitter which has about 25% of those numbers. People spend 13mins on Social yet 4hrs watching TV.

 

We have a whole industry built on the over hype selling this stuff to CEOs and readers and consumers and small biz owners. That to me would be like the Airline Industry cornering all the transportation news an options as the only way to get from point A to B. 'But I just have to go down the street' - 'No worries take Southwest fight 21 that will be $89 please'

 

And the people whining about this lack of participation are the ones who desperately need this hype to be reality.

 

Think of this in reverse. How powerful would the idea of social media being used by everyone be if 89% of Fortune 500 CEOs were Facebooking and Twittering like gangbusters.

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

 @HowieSPM Haha, I LOVE it when you bring the numbers here, mate, especially around Facebook. :)

 

But yep, 100% with you on the "people whining about this" thought - it's (usually) the ones that need this buy-in to make their existence make sense. ;-)

HowieSPM
HowieSPM

I think this comes down to my number crunching Danny. I will use the US for my thesis. 310mil people. 250mil consumers over the age of 14. 200mil + internet users. While 150mil visit Facebook once per month only 75mil are there each day. Of the 75mil only 30mil to post something, like something, comment etc. 30mil out of 200mil is not everyone or close. Forget twitter which has about 25% of those numbers. People spend 13mins on Social yet 4hrs watching TV.   We have a whole industry built on the over hype selling this stuff to CEOs and readers and consumers and small biz owners. That to me would be like the Airline Industry cornering all the transportation news an options as the only way to get from point A to B. 'But I just have to go down the street' - 'No worries take Southwest fight 21 that will be $89 please'   And the people whining about this lack of participation are the ones who desperately need this hype to be reality.   Think of this in reverse. How powerful would the idea of social media being used by everyone be if 89% of Fortune 500 CEOs were Facebooking and Twittering like gangbusters.

Cecilia Waldron
Cecilia Waldron

well said Danny....we need companies to become more real and less preoccupied by what they think they "should do", its ok to make mistakes and apologize for them, its ok to be real

Cecilia Waldron
Cecilia Waldron

well said Danny....we need companies to become more real and less preoccupied by what they think they "should do", its ok to make mistakes and apologize for them, its ok to be real

Anja Jessen
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You know, there are parts of the world / industries / demographies that are simply taking a lot longer than some others to "get it". For lack of experience or exposure. Or because they will always be excited by the hype-of-the-day. My personal pet peeve are the numbered lists ("The 6 things you need to do to become rich and famous!"). I also suspect the "CEOs need to tweet" demand is just another form of celebrity worship. The equivalent of reading "Hello!", "OK!" and "People". Or whatever they're called. Not that I would know ...

Anja Jessen
Anja Jessen

You know, there are parts of the world / industries / demographies that are simply taking a lot longer than some others to "get it". For lack of experience or exposure. Or because they will always be excited by the hype-of-the-day. My personal pet peeve are the numbered lists ("The 6 things you need to do to become rich and famous!"). I also suspect the "CEOs need to tweet" demand is just another form of celebrity worship. The equivalent of reading "Hello!", "OK!" and "People". Or whatever they're called. Not that I would know ...

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@dschulenberg Thanks Dara, and agree, some great thoughts on all sides in there :)

DannyBrown
DannyBrown

@dschulenberg Thanks Dara, and agree, some great thoughts on all sides in there :)

Hajra
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I read something similar a few days back and I said, how the CEO's need to figure out for themselves what works for them. I mean, if a tweet might increase their sales substantially, then they might want to put some thought into the whole idea of tweeting and being regular at it. Otherwise, they just need to get their job done and that is what the customers might hold as priority in "judging" them and their products and organization. 

 

But yes, they could use social media in times of crisis management, that is one area that might be very helpful when things need to be got under control.

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

 @Hajra For sure, Hajra, and that's the key point - *if* it makes sense. The way some folks go on, it's the be all and end all - they have to tweet and no excuses. Gah!

Hajra
Hajra

I read something similar a few days back and I said, how the CEO's need to figure out for themselves what works for them. I mean, if a tweet might increase their sales substantially, then they might want to put some thought into the whole idea of tweeting and being regular at it. Otherwise, they just need to get their job done and that is what the customers might hold as priority in "judging" them and their products and organization.    But yes, they could use social media in times of crisis management, that is one area that might be very helpful when things need to be got under control.

Danny Brown
Danny Brown

 @Hajra For sure, Hajra, and that's the key point - *if* it makes sense. The way some folks go on, it's the be all and end all - they have to tweet and no excuses. Gah!

bhas
bhas like.author.displayName 1 Like

This is a tempest in a teacup.

 

I don't want CEOs to be like the Illuminati, hiding behind in the shadows and talking to a camera with a torchlight shining up their noses. Neither do I want them to be like those Twitter addicts who, as @geoffliving puts it, wanks off on Twitter or Facebook.

 

But a middle ground ain't bad. Michael Dell sits at a hangout once a week or a month, no? That's good. Why not get the CEO live on the company's Facebook wall at a certain period of time? Or do something like Obama's Twitter townhall.

 

It does not have to be a zero sum game, folks

 

Danny Brown
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 @bhas  @geoffliving A middle ground is perfect, though it still needs to make sense (as @Hajra mentions in her comment). Additionally, you need to have a CEO that isn't a ball sac into the bargain, who'll do more harm than good... ;-)

rdopping
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 @Danny Brown I always love when you use the word ball and sack in the same sentence.

bhas
bhas

This is a tempest in a teacup.   I don't want CEOs to be like the Illuminati, hiding behind in the shadows and talking to a camera with a torchlight shining up their noses. Neither do I want them to be like those Twitter addicts who, as @geoffliving puts it, wanks off on Twitter or Facebook.   But a middle ground ain't bad. Michael Dell sits at a hangout once a week or a month, no? That's good. Why not get the CEO live on the company's Facebook wall at a certain period of time? Or do something like Obama's Twitter townhall.   It does not have to be a zero sum game, folks  

Danny Brown
Danny Brown

 @bhas  @geoffliving A middle ground is perfect, though it still needs to make sense (as @Hajra mentions in her comment). Additionally, you need to have a CEO that isn't a ball sac into the bargain, who'll do more harm than good... ;-)

philgerb
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 @Danny Brown Are we defining social media as Twitter only? If so, then sure, most CEOs have no need to play along.

 

But let's include using blogs and video to talk about the company, and responding now and then to a customer comment, and then we've got something every CEO can, and should do.

 

You mention being awesome as having no ROI. I disagree. If you're looking to recruit younger people, having a CEO who is hip and gets the power of two way conversation, who engages in meaningful conversations now and then, who is willing to be online and reachable, is a great way to stay in touch and recruit the best. Occasional access to a CEO is VERY desirable, and social makes that much more scalable. 

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @philgerb For this particular post, it's a response to those who say CEOs need to tweet in order to be successful in social media. Meh to that. :)

 

With regards the ROI question, I'd say it depends, mate. Having a cool, hip CEO is all well and good - but if they can't pick the right people and feel they've gotten the best (because they're that hip they think Klout is a good recruitment measurement tool), then the company isn't going to last no matter how hip the CEO is.

bhas
bhas

 @Danny Brown  @philgerb I am so hip I can't see over my pelvis- Douglas Adams.

 

These CEOs are so hip they can't see if the next step they take will land them in a Puddle of Mudd

philgerb
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 @Danny Brown CEOs definitely need to still be great at selecting great people who ultimately will select the best rest of the people to fill out an organization.

 

And yes, any CEO that says Klout is how they're hiring people is no CEO worth their salt. Good point!

philgerb
philgerb

 @Danny Brown Are we defining social media as Twitter only? If so, then sure, most CEOs have no need to play along.   But let's include using blogs and video to talk about the company, and responding now and then to a customer comment, and then we've got something every CEO can, and should do.   You mention being awesome as having no ROI. I disagree. If you're looking to recruit younger people, having a CEO who is hip and gets the power of two way conversation, who engages in meaningful conversations now and then, who is willing to be online and reachable, is a great way to stay in touch and recruit the best. Occasional access to a CEO is VERY desirable, and social makes that much more scalable. 

Danny Brown
Danny Brown

 @philgerb For this particular post, it's a response to those who say CEOs need to tweet in order to be successful in social media. Meh to that. :)   With regards the ROI question, I'd say it depends, mate. Having a cool, hip CEO is all well and good - but if they can't pick the right people and feel they've gotten the best (because they're that hip they think Klout is a good recruitment measurement tool), then the company isn't going to last no matter how hip the CEO is.

bhas
bhas

 @Danny Brown  @philgerb I am so hip I can't see over my pelvis- Douglas Adams.   These CEOs are so hip they can't see if the next step they take will land them in a Puddle of Mudd

philgerb
philgerb

 @Danny Brown CEOs definitely need to still be great at selecting great people who ultimately will select the best rest of the people to fill out an organization.   And yes, any CEO that says Klout is how they're hiring people is no CEO worth their salt. Good point!

bdorman264
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Because tweet streams are so massive, if you aren't on the 'right' list there is a good chance you won't even be seen anyway.

 

I guess I get the best of both worlds; I am one of the owners of Lanier Upshaw, but I'm not THE owner or CEO. Therefore, because I'm responsible for production, it's like having Me, Inc inside the walls of Lanier. I pretty much do what I want as long as production is taken care of. Is tweeting going to help w/ my production? Probably not, but it allows me to hang around the game enough to see what is going on. 

 

Yes social has created so-called experts; most you just have to take it for what it is and decide if it's credible info or not. 

 

There is still so much to it however, there is still a lot to be harnessed.....and it's not going away......

Danny Brown
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 @bdorman264 And that's the best approach mate - get the people that are right for activity in social media for your business, and let them run with it. If you, as CEO, want to join in too, here's to you. But don't feel pressured that you have to because of some idyllic view of social media and organizations, from people who've probably never been involved in one in their life...

bdorman264
bdorman264

Because tweet streams are so massive, if you aren't on the 'right' list there is a good chance you won't even be seen anyway.   I guess I get the best of both worlds; I am one of the owners of Lanier Upshaw, but I'm not THE owner or CEO. Therefore, because I'm responsible for production, it's like having Me, Inc inside the walls of Lanier. I pretty much do what I want as long as production is taken care of. Is tweeting going to help w/ my production? Probably not, but it allows me to hang around the game enough to see what is going on.    Yes social has created so-called experts; most you just have to take it for what it is and decide if it's credible info or not.    There is still so much to it however, there is still a lot to be harnessed.....and it's not going away......

Danny Brown
Danny Brown

 @bdorman264 And that's the best approach mate - get the people that are right for activity in social media for your business, and let them run with it. If you, as CEO, want to join in too, here's to you. But don't feel pressured that you have to because of some idyllic view of social media and organizations, from people who've probably never been involved in one in their life...

abdallahalhakim
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CEOs of fortune500 companies probably do not need to tweet or be active on facebook becasue they have teams of people doing that for their brand/compnay. CEOs of early stage or startups probably need to be more active in an intelligent way on some of social media networks. Tweeting is one way to engage but the more meaningful way to do it is through the participation in conversations initiated by key thought leaders (not ranked via their Klout score:) Some examples are Fred Wilson, Mark Suster, Robert Scoble, Chris Dixon, Brad Feld, and many others. Engaging on these blogs even for any CEO would bring value. Of course, engaging on blogs such as this one also brings a lot of value and gets you introduced to an active online community

Danny Brown
Danny Brown moderator

 @abdallahalhakim There's definitely a bigger opportunity for startup CEOs to be more active, particularly if they're playing in the social space with their product. I guess it comes down to what do you want your company to be known for - a CEO who's in the front line, or a company with a kickass product because the CEO lets the right people do the right job, no matter the role.

 

Cheers, sir!

abdallahalhakim
abdallahalhakim

CEOs of fortune500 companies probably do not need to tweet or be active on facebook becasue they have teams of people doing that for their brand/compnay. CEOs of early stage or startups probably need to be more active in an intelligent way on some of social media networks. Tweeting is one way to engage but the more meaningful way to do it is through the participation in conversations initiated by key thought leaders (not ranked via their Klout score:) Some examples are Fred Wilson, Mark Suster, Robert Scoble, Chris Dixon, Brad Feld, and many others. Engaging on these blogs even for any CEO would bring value. Of course, engaging on blogs such as this one also brings a lot of value and gets you introduced to an active online community

Danny Brown
Danny Brown

 @abdallahalhakim There's definitely a bigger opportunity for startup CEOs to be more active, particularly if they're playing in the social space with their product. I guess it comes down to what do you want your company to be known for - a CEO who's in the front line, or a company with a kickass product because the CEO lets the right people do the right job, no matter the role.   Cheers, sir!


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